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 Post subject: Re: I made a big mistake!
PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:10 pm 
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desmobob wrote:
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Buy and shoot a .410 before you waste more money on those big clunky cannons.
.410's are the most fun you can have shooting shotguns.
You'll thank me.


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Get a .410. I was surprised when the 28ga seemed equivalent to the 20ga to me. But not the .410. It remains a whole different animal. :wink:


I agree that a .410 is as much fun as it gets. A friend and I shot 56 feral pigeons on a dairy with .410s last weekend. Limiting the shots to 30 yards or so resulted in clean kills with AA Super Sporting Clays loads. And 5-6s will bring down planted pheasants over points like a bag of rocks. They may not be everyone’s choice but they’re well worth a try before you make a decision.



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 Post subject: Re: I made a big mistake!
PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:44 pm 
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oldbrdhntr,

Got to admit I use the .410 O/U DT/DH quite a bit to introduce young bird dogs to gun fire by shooting down training birds. Have used the old Savage .410 for about 40 years in this manner, I then move on to the 28 gauge and then up the line as the training continues. The .410 does a good job with our gun dog training.

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 Post subject: Re: I made a big mistake! As did I!
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:54 pm 
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I joined this forum and 28 gauge society. On both Pine Creek Grouse Dave does not at all mind teasing me with all his gorgeous double barrels. Damn-it Dave!!!!

Now I have shotgun envy...So the question is 16 or 28 in a sxs?


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 Post subject: Re: I made a big mistake!
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:54 am 
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Penny and her beautiful Grouse taken with the modern L.C. Smith 28 gauge double gun.

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I love the look in Penny's eyes. She is still absolutely intense and focused on that grouse. Guess she likes bird hunting huh?!

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 Post subject: Re: I made a big mistake! As did I!
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:02 am 
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Now I have shotgun envy...So the question is 16 or 28 in a sxs?


Depends on a couple of things: What are you going to use it for?: Do you have a good pointing dog?; And please, take no offense, I am asking this with a smile, how good a shot are you? 8)

And if you plan on shooting clay targets, and if possible you should because then you get to shoot more, :wink: , hope you will reload those hulls!

Have fun whichever one you get. And remember, there's birthdays and maybe Christmas for wish lists! Get the next one like that!

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 Post subject: Re: I made a big mistake! As did I!
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:38 am 
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WIflytier wrote:
PawleysJim wrote:
Now I have shotgun envy...So the question is 16 or 28 in a sxs?


Depends on a couple of things: What are you going to use it for?: Do you have a good pointing dog?; And please, take no offense, I am asking this with a smile, how good a shot are you? 8)

And if you plan on shooting clay targets, and if possible you should because then you get to shoot more, :wink: , hope you will reload those hulls!

Have fun whichever one you get. And remember, there's birthdays and maybe Christmas for wish lists! Get the next one like that!



Still new at this, Not sure what I would shoot with it Quail probably.
Nope no dog and the cat's too old to teach new tricks, I'm still new so i suck, actually the capt. of Team WE SUCK!

My birthday is Sunday, maybe not to late for a go fund me page, cause when I suggested to my wife a SxS she asked whirlpool or Electrolux?

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 Post subject: Re: I made a big mistake!
PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:41 pm 
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PawleysJim,

Well picking a great L.C. Smith 16 or modern 28 gauge double gun is pretty tough. However I believe it will be easier to acquire an original 16 gauge L.C. Smith gun in great shape, as long as you want to pony up the money. GI has a nice L.C. Smith gun board, there are some real nice Specialty Grade 16 guns available for immediate purchase, some Field Grade guns also. They further have nice pre 13, 16 gauge guns also, that were some of the finest American made double guns ever produced. Start out with a real nice 16 gauge #3 or #4 16 gauge L.C. Smith from one of the quality vendors. Be prepared to get out your check book for one of these fine Grouse Guns, the guns are definitely worth every penny. Call the Vendor direct with the business number on the forum advertisement and bargain for a good sales price. Recently I purchased a real nice #5 gun in this manner. See the #5 Gun with Kraus Engraving in the picture below.

If you want a nice L.C. Smith 28 gauge gun, made for Marlin by Zabala in Spain they come up on the GI board every once in a while. I own one that I purchased new and it is quite nice, however from a strict engineering stand point, Marlin would not let Zabala produce a real side Lock 28 Gauge L.C. Smith double gun. The guns are Box Lock, have no Brown Rotary Bolt and no Hunter 1 or Miller Single Trigger. However the gun has a nice Purdy/Hodges breech lock up system, SST, high grade Chrome lined Barrels, and decent wood. I replaced the modern recoil pad with the original L.C. Smith early Butt Plate, to make the gun like I wanted it for Grouse hunting. The 28 gun also has screw in Beretta type chokes, that are perfectly fine. The gun shoots nice tight patterns, I use RST, Poly and B&P shells in mine.
The last one I saw sold, went for just over $2000.00 in perfect shape. They are getting hard to find, I purchased mine when they 1st hit the country.

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One of a kind 1901 - L.C. Smith Made to Order #5 Gun with Kraus's Engraving of his own Ryman English Setter Dogs.
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 Post subject: Re: I made a big mistake!
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:01 pm 
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I recently picked up (for free ) my first Zabala SxS it's a .410 non ejector double triggers. Built in 1978 but left soaking wet for long enough to cause external pitting. I have brought it back to reasonable condition.
I will have to look out for a L C Smith by Marlin/Zabala. I realize I won't get one as nice as those for free !

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 Post subject: Re: I made a big mistake!
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:31 pm 
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Gamekeeper,

Absolutely keep an eye out for the L.C. Smith .410 made for Marlin by Zabala, they are very similar to the 28 gauge and a lot more of them got into the USA before Spain brought on their new taxes. Probably have a little more luck finding one of them, however they are getting scarce also.

Good luck getting the gun you want.

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 Post subject: Re: I made a big mistake!
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:03 pm 
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I can't see any reason for choosing a .410 over a 28 gauge. if you want to shoot 1/2 ounce loads, then handload them for the 28. If you shoot many targets, the 28 is a handloading proposition anyway due to the high cost of factory ammo.

At the other end, there is overlap between 28 and 12 gauge. As noted above, Winchester's 1.0 ounce loads are very good for flushed birds. I have also loaded 7/8 ounce and 3/4 ounce shells in 12 gauge for skeet.

With this degree of overlap, one could say there is no reason for 16 or 20 gauge guns except for nostalgia.

I shoot clays with a 12 and hunt with a 28. Once in awhile I shoot my 20 at both, just because I like it. That said, I would like to have a nice 16 "just because," but I don't have time to shoot the guns I have now.

Someone once said the 28 gauge is the sports car of shotguns.


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 Post subject: Re: I made a big mistake!
PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:05 pm 
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I mostly shoot on the skeet range, I sold my 12ga 725 and bought a 725 .410 to go with my 725 28 ga. I'm a happy camper.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:28 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: I made a big mistake!
PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:39 am 
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I purchased my CZ Bobwhite 28 and .410 at the same time, thinking that the 28 would be the ideal rabbit gun. Much to my surprise and delight, the .410 with reloaded 2 1/2" shells has proven to be very good at taking rabbits up to about 25 yards. Count yourself lucky if you have access to both of the shotguns.




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