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 Post subject: Re: 28” gauge lengthen chambers to 3”
PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:36 am 
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Ditto! +1.



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 Post subject: Re: 28” gauge lengthen chambers to 3”
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 1:03 am 
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BobK,

I also believe the same thing for 3" 20 gauge guns, absolutely no reason to own one unless it's for Turkey hunting. Purchase a good 16 or 12 Gauge gun, if you want to shoot bigger shells for Grouse, Woodcock or Pheasant hunting. As Mac wrote a 20 gauge gun should never shoot more than 1 Oz at the most. Many other Grouse hunters believe the same. I am in full agreement with them. IMO if you want to shoot 1 Oz to 1 1/8 Oz, purchase and use a good 16 gauge double gun, or even a good light 12 gauge double gun, early in the season. Use the 20 & 28 when the leaves have fallen.

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 Post subject: Re: 28” gauge lengthen chambers to 3”
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 6:27 am 
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Well, the problem is that virtually ALL new 20 ga. guns come with 3" chambers. That said, I don't ever use 3" 20 ga. shells.

I guess if I was a kid, and only had one gun, and it was a 3" 20 ga., I might just use 3" steel loads for ducks or pheasants if "nontox" was required, but really for myself, if the "nontox" was required, I'd rather just use 2 3/4" shells and bismuth shot.

But most of the time lately, the 2 3/4" 28 ga. with 3/4 oz. of 8s does the job for me.

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 Post subject: Re: 28” gauge lengthen chambers to 3”
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 10:33 am 
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I like living in the 21 first century using the advances of modern powders, plastic wads, and three inch 20 gage shells. My 20 gage gas auto rarely sees a 2 and 3/4 inch shell but then again it’s primarily a pheasant gun for me so I don’t need to tote a 12 gage unless it’s no tox then the 3 inch 12 gage boomers come out. Same with my 28 gage. I shoot 7/8 and 1 ounce loads with it on pheasants too. Nothing wrong with old technologies and living in the past. Heck the Amish even make it part of their religion. I’ll take the modern, along with gortex hunting gear and a nice pickup truck with AC. If people want to hunt with 100 year old s x s shooting fiber wads with over shot cards, driving a model A to the covert, and hunting in wool or waxed cotton have at it. 1950’s 3 in 20 gage technology ain’t exactly new but modern powders and plastic wad cups make it shoot like a 2 and 3/4 in 12 gage.


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 Post subject: Re: 28” gauge lengthen chambers to 3”
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 11:35 am 
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No spokesman for the 28 gauge, although i own 3, 2 doubles and a remington sporting, never shot more than 3/4 oz in any of them, but on the other hand has any body ever pattern tested the 3 inch 28 gauge 1oz to the 1oz 2 3/4 inch shell, i know my auto 12 patterns the 3 1/2 inch 1 5/8 oz of BB a whole lot better than the 3 inch shells does.


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 Post subject: Re: 28” gauge lengthen chambers to 3”
PostPosted: Thu May 16, 2019 7:46 pm 
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Gentlemen,

I use more 20 Gauge SpredR loads than I even do the regular 2 3/4, 20 gauge shells. They throw the patterns I need for Grouse, Woodcock and Quail hunting. I have killed plenty of Turkey with 2 3/4 shells, however I have used the 3" shells for Turkey also and they do a good job. No need for them in either a 28 or 20 gauge when upland hunting, just another gimmick to sell guns and shells to young guys who only have one or maybe two guns.

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 Post subject: Re: 28” gauge lengthen chambers to 3”
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 6:29 am 
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In my 28 ga. guns, (when I was still writing magazine articles), I patterned (for a magazine article) the 1 oz. Winchester loads (in 5s, 6s, 7 1/2s and 8s) in my (back then) three 28 ga. guns, and they pattered beautifully with all the appropriate choke tubes in all the guns from 20 to 40 yards. I don't know how they could be "improved" with adding another 1/4 inch to the shell. (The magazine article was titled "Just an Ounce" and was printed in the December 2004 issue of Shotgun Sports magazine.)

And at a recent sale, I bought several boxes of Kent Bismuth 2 3/4 28 ga. 6s for "nontox" loads should I need 'em for decoying ducks.

I have cleanly killed game birds up to pheasants out to 40 yards with no problem out to 40 yards with my 2 3/4 inch guns.

So at least for me, I don't want or need a 3" 28 ga.

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 Post subject: Re: 28” gauge lengthen chambers to 3”
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 11:57 am 
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Why in the world would anyone want a 3" 28 ga?


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 Post subject: Re: 28” gauge lengthen chambers to 3”
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2019 3:53 pm 
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If we all thought alike we would all be using 12 gauge guns.There is nothing the other gauges can do, that a 12 gauge cannot do and usually better.There are very light 12 gauge guns and loads available for upland use and heavy loads and heavier guns available for waterfowl use.

Why would any one want any thing ,but a 12 gauge ?

You cannot pick a gun for a person any more than you can pick them a wife/husband .All we do is have an opinion on the 3 inch 28 gauge .If some one wants to use it, I do not see why so many jump all over them.If someone is happy with a 3 inch 28 gauge,so be it.Perhaps they do not agree with some of our reasons or picks for using our firearms.Its all just opinion.


One does not hear so much noise about a 12 gauge 3 inch , a 12 gauge 3 1/2 inch ,a 20 gauge 3 inch or .410 3 inch.Only the 3 inch 28 gauge seems to ruffle so many peoples feathers.LOL

At one time the standard 28 gauge load was 2 1/2 inch.It was lengthened out to 2 3/4 inch.One has to wonder ,if there was so many against the 28 gauge being made 1/4 inch longer to 2 3/4 inch at that time?:)

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 Post subject: Re: 28” gauge lengthen chambers to 3”
PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:01 am 
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The 28 ga. was also a 2 7/8" chambered gun way back. So what does THAT prove?

And a 3" 16 ga. gun has also been requested of Ithaca (when they still were in NY) by ammo makers several times in the past, but they didn't choose to make it.

My point is that I personally don't want or need a 3" 28 ga. If you personally want and need one, go get it, or have your chamber(s) lengthened. My only point is that I don't see any particular advantage to the loadings available in the "expensive, scarce and rare" 3" 28 ga. shells.

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 Post subject: Re: 28” gauge lengthen chambers to 3”
PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 3:54 pm 
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The 28 gauge being lengthen to 2 3/4 and 2 7/8 shows that there were those that wanted more than a 2 1/2 inch 28 gauge shell.I wonder if there were those who did not want the 28 gauge lengthened out to the longer hulls,back then?

The 28 gauge was made in 2 7/8 inch,but was later made in 2 3/4 inch ,as you had to use 2 3/4 inch in skeet shooting.If not for the 28 gauge having to use a 2 3/4 inch shell in skeet shooting ,the 28 gauge 2 7/8 inch shell would probably have stayed in production and been lengthened out to 3 inch long ago.Of course that is just my opinion.:)


Perhaps there are those who want a 3 inch 28 gauge shell.Why are there some who do not want the change so badly?If they want to stay with their 2 3/4 inch guns fine,but why come down so hard on the longer shell.

Its like I said.Why is any one using any gauge,but a nice light weight 12 gauge ,with light loads.Any other shotgun ammunition, looks rare and expensive, when it is compared to the 12 gauge ammunition available today.:)

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 Post subject: Re: 28” gauge lengthen chambers to 3”
PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 9:57 pm 
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I think you are going to see more and more of the 3 inch chamber 28 guns since benelli came out with it, i see some import over and under chamber the same and i would not be surprise at remington rechambering there sporting 28 to shoot the 3 inch shells, they are not going to loose sales to benelli and the imports for not having the same thing good or bad, me for one have never shot more than 3/4 oz in any of my 28 guns, if i need more shot i just move up a gauge or two, never have tried to put my little gun on steroids, also i saw a box of 3 inch 28 gauge shells in a gun store a while back and i think they had more than 1 oz of 7 1/2 shot marked 13.95. bob


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 Post subject: Re: 28” gauge lengthen chambers to 3”
PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 11:10 am 
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Gentlemen,

For Grouse hunters like myself using the 28 gauge gun with either the 2 1/2" or 2 3/4" shells is due to sportsmanship. It's a lot easier to kill a Grouse with a 12 Gauge gun than a 28 gauge gun with light shells. If I want more fire power I use my 20 or 16 gauge guns. I can understand a man wanting a 3" 28 if he does not own any other guns, however for me as I said, I have no need for a 3" 28 gauge gun.

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 Post subject: Re: 28” gauge lengthen chambers to 3”
PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 11:57 am 
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Hi,

The modern 3" 28ga chamber is all about lighter than lead non-toxic shot. With most affordable non-toxic shot being less dense than lead, you need to go to larger shot sizes to make up for density. With the limited hull capacity of sub-gages like the 28ga, pattern density quickly drops. So we get stuck needing more hull capacity.

And if you are thinking "I only hunt upland like grouse don't need it", take a look at California. It's coming to a covert near you sooner than you think. Hopefully us old guys might be dead by then, but that won't stop it. So either 3" chambers become a thing, or all these very nice 28ga guns will become unusable and be melted into Honda bumpers.

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 Post subject: Re: 28” gauge lengthen chambers to 3”
PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 12:20 pm 
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I believe your long term thinking is spot on,Dalee 100.

I agree with the 28 gauge being more sporting than a 12 gauge with heavy loads,but as I have said before , a light 12 gauge gun shooting light loads is just as sporting as a 28 gauge with its light loads.No need to up grade to a 20 or 16 gauge if you want more fire power,just use a heavier 12 gauge load.


Really there is no need .but for a 12 gauge.

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 Post subject: Re: 28” gauge lengthen chambers to 3”
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The bird don't care if he's killed with 1 oz. from a 28, a 20, a 16 or a 12 gauge. He's dead either way.


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 Post subject: Re: 28” gauge lengthen chambers to 3”
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That's very true.So nothing wrong with a 3 inch 28 gauge.:)

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 Post subject: Re: 28” gauge lengthen chambers to 3”
PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 9:46 pm 
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Went back to that gun shop that i spoke about last night, thought they had more shot than 1oz well they do, they are flocchi golden pheasant size 6 1 1/16 oz nickel shot, 3 inch 28 gauge, i bought a box just for the novelty of them and brought them home and showed them to my little 28 and told him if he did not shape up and shoot straight next fall, i was going shove them big boys up his little butt. bob


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 Post subject: Re: 28” gauge lengthen chambers to 3”
PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 8:16 am 
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Went back to that gun shop that i spoke about last night, thought they had more shot than 1oz well they do, they are flocchi golden pheasant size 6 1 1/16 oz nickel shot, 3 inch 28 gauge, i bought a box just for the novelty of them and brought them home and showed them to my little 28 and told him if he did not shape up and shoot straight next fall, i was going shove them big boys up his little butt. bob


Thanks for a good chuckle with that,oakisland.:)I dare say it will shoot straight now.LOL

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 Post subject: Re: 28” gauge lengthen chambers to 3”
PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 9:10 am 
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Some folks get their undies in a bunch if anyone suggests more than 3/4 oz. in a 28. I say shoot what you like and enjoy yourself.




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