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 Post subject: Best chokes .410 SxS for shooting Sporting Clays/Quail?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:48 am 
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Any thoughts on best chokes for a .410 SxS for shooting Sporting Clays and an occasional Quail hunt?

Thanks in advance!




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 Post subject: Re: Best chokes .410 SxS for shooting Sporting Clays/Quail?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:03 am 
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Here are a few of my .410 pattern numbers to give you an idea of the difference chokes can make.

Patterning results @ 25 yards from a Yildiz SxS .410 with 28" barrels and factory flush choke tubes (patterns average of five, post-shot scribed circles, yardage taped muzzle to target, in-shell pellet count average of five, and true choke constriction from bore gauge).

.410 2 1/2" WINCHESTER AA TARGET LOAD
1/2 oz #9 lead (281 pellets) Max DE

LEFT BARREL (ID .406”) -- RIGHT BARREL (ID .408”)
FULL choke (.021” constr.) -- FULL choke (.023” constr.)
20" / pattern 181 (64%) -- 20" / pattern 189 (67%)
20-30" / pattern 71 -- 20-30" / pattern 68
30" / pattern 252 (90%) -- 30" / pattern 257 (91%)

IM choke (.015” constr.) -- IM choke (.017” constr.)
20" / pattern 172 (61%) -- 20" / pattern 190 (68%)
20-30" / pattern 72 -- 20-30" / pattern 66
30" / pattern 244 (87%) -- 30" / pattern 256 (91%)

MOD choke (.010” constr.) -- MOD choke (.012” constr.)
20" / pattern 158 (56%) -- 20" / pattern 173 (62%)
20-30" / pattern 77 -- 20-30" / pattern 71
30" / pattern 235 (84%) -- 30" / pattern 244 (87%)

IC choke (.003” constr.) -- IC choke (.005” constr.)
20" / pattern 115 (41%) -- 20" / pattern 144 (51%)
20-30" / pattern 81 -- 20-30" / pattern 85
30" / pattern 196 (70%) -- 30" / pattern 229 (81%)

CYL choke (-.004” constr.) -- CYL choke (-.002” constr.)
20" / pattern 86 (31%) -- 20" / pattern 84 (30%)
20-30" / pattern 77 -- 20-30" / pattern 83
30" / pattern 163 (58%) -- 30" / pattern 167 (59%)

Hope this helps, good luck.


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 Post subject: Re: Best chokes .410 SxS for shooting Sporting Clays/Quail?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:42 am 
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Interesting to see only a minor difference in 20 inch patterns using any choke from Mod-Full. I guess when you are dealing with only 1/2 oz though, all pattern density is of importance.


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 Post subject: Re: Best chokes .410 SxS for shooting Sporting Clays/Quail?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:51 pm 
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Joe Hunter, thank you for posting your .410 patterning numbers. I appreciate that!

What does the middle column (20-30) numbers describe? For instance on "Full" at 20-30 you say "pattern 71 & pattern 68." What does the 71 & 68 denote?

Many thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: Best chokes .410 SxS for shooting Sporting Clays/Quail?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:56 pm 
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The 20-30" is the 10" ring or doughnut around the 20" core pattern, so the 30" total pattern is the 20" pattern + 20-30" ring. I probably shouldn't have called the 20-30" a pattern, maybe pellet strike count would have been more descriptive.

"What does the 71 & 68 denote?" -- They denote the pellet strike counts in the 20-30" ring of the left and right barrels respectively.

Hope this helps, good luck!


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 Post subject: Re: Best chokes .410 SxS for shooting Sporting Clays/Quail?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 6:53 am 
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What that does is show that the 20 to 30" outer ring (which is a little more than 1/2 the area of a 30" circle) contains far less pellet strikes than the middle of the pattern, and is essentially not effective in breaking clays or killing birds at this "edge" of the pattern. And it is totally normal for all shotgun patterns to exhibit this.

This little fact just tells us that we have to be a little more "on target" than we thought.

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 Post subject: Re: Best chokes .410 SxS for shooting Sporting Clays/Quail?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:53 am 
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Thanks for the clarification!

Right now I am siting at .029 & .035 and Briley says .020 is Full - that would make me Extra, Extra Full! These are 28 inch barrels.

I am thinking of going to .008 & .015.

I would like to shoot some occasional Sporting Clays and some close up Quail using a pointing dog. Perhaps a dove shoot too from time to time if the birds aren't flying super high.


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 Post subject: Re: Best chokes .410 SxS for shooting Sporting Clays/Quail?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:11 am 
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I have a Citori marked mod and full. It measures .10 and .15 constriction. Is a little tight for close birds. I run .06 and .10 in my Beretta O/U for quail over my Britt. For sporting a .12 or.14 would be appropriate along with the .10. I figure a 20" usable pattern for th 410.


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 Post subject: Re: Best chokes .410 SxS for shooting Sporting Clays/Quail?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:16 pm 
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Gentlemen,

All of this info for patterning and choke measurement to achieve the patterns you most desire for gunning birds is more relevant when you use the correct size silhouette of the bird you want to shoot. With the silhouette on the patterning board it gives the gunner a true picture of how many shot are actually entering the kill zone of the bird hunted.

Further when the bird is in flight only part of the shot actually downs the bird in most cases. Only part of the pattern you see on the flat bird silhouette actually hits the bird when in flight, unless you have a crossing shot close up. These kind of shots do not happen very often. This silhouette patterning becomes extremely important when shooting Grouse and especially important when shooting Turkey at a distance.

The Turkey is seldom shot in flight, although I have taken a couple with my Small Munsterlander Versatile dog in this manner, the Grouse if you are a true sportsman always is shot on the wing. Knowing how many shot actually hit these birds is very helpful for determining the shots you should actually take in the woods. This not only helps with your shot percentage for downing birds, it gives you an idea of the shots you should not really be taking. A Grouse shot at 50 plus yard is a very low percentage shot, the same goes for a kill shot on a Turkey.

As I indicated before, the shells you use to hunt with are also very important, always pattern with them for best results.



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 Post subject: Re: Best chokes .410 SxS for shooting Sporting Clays/Quail?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:40 pm 
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Easy peezie.
Use Modified and Full. You can be undergunned but, don't be under choked.




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