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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A400 Barrel Failure or Problems?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:44 pm 
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RandyWakeman wrote:
bouts wrote:
I joined this forum specifically for this topic. I am the sad owner of an a400 xcel that has had this problem I purchased mine in july 2018. I that was 1 year and 1 month after I purchased it. beretta did not return a single call or email.

every once in a while I search for a used barrel on line and this time I happened upon this discussion so I figured I would share my story.


This "topic" is from Feb 10, 2015. If you registered your shotgun, you have a 3 year warranty. I have no idea who you e-mailed, but Beretta has service centers, as in https://www.colegun.com/ . They answer the phone, no need to wait for an e-mail at all.

However, if you shot your gun without the choke being seated, it is not a warranty issue even if you did it the same day you bought the shotgun.


thanks for the reply. i did notice it was an old topic. I called beretta customer service detailing the problem always starting with my contact information and emailed baretta support.com. neither option ever resulted in a reply. no one ever answered the phone (I also dialed the number numerous times without leaving a message, no one ever answered) It seems like you are saying i could just call a service center and all would be taken care of. I remember thinking i needed an authorization from beretta. I may have gotten that idea from one of the service centers but i dont remeber that for certain.

but one thing i do know for sure THE CHOKE WAS ALWAYS SEATED and it was checked rather often. and the the shot gun was never registered because I had never thought to. the good people at beretta already know exactly when,where and to who the gun was sold by the sales receipt and serial number.

A certified service center isnt going to just fix something without the manufacturers ok.

may be an old topic but the info may come in handy to some one.




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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A400 Barrel Failure or Problems?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:33 am 
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bouts wrote:
A certified service center isnt going to just fix something without the manufacturers ok.



They do it every day. Do you think that they send a fax to Italy asking, "Mother may I?"

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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A400 Barrel Failure or Problems?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:57 am 
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I vaguely recall reading about a problem with Remington Hypersonic Steel loads, but no firm details.

My experience, based on working at a clays range is that the Beretta gas guns, and especially the A400s are very reliable. One had perennial cycling problems but a trip to Cole's fixed it.


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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A400 Barrel Failure or Problems?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:53 pm 
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Let's put it straight boys
I own an a400 Xtreme Unico for more that 3yrs. My observation is that OptimaHP design is poor engineering - someone of Beretta team needs to go back to a university to learn the "Resistance of materials" subject. I keep my guns clean as often as I feel I need to. It is army habit. I never do more that 300...400 shots without cleaning my gun. The rifles are to be cleaned after 50...100 shots. For the shot guns I take the choke(s) out every cleaning, clean the threads both inside barrel and on the choke, put a little but of thermal resistant grease on it then screw the choke(s) in back. First of all I've noticed that my Beretta M choke has got slightly swollen after couple of boxes of 3.5 waterfowl steel. It developed just a little bit or resistance when I rotate it. I do quite a bit of pass shooting, so I was experimenting and looking for a best setup. I bought a Jebs High Voltage .690 then got it swollen just after couple of hunts using 3.5" roman candles. This one was even more resisting to come out. I think this is due to having more constriction that the earlier mentioned M choke. So the shot meets even more resistance and friction thus making the damn choke to expand even more. I phoned Jebs and they sent me a replacement which I've put on a shelf and never use it so far. There was one more try a "Super Waterfowl .685" by Trulock - same story. But this time I asked their support to send me three regular chokes (Precision Hunter: IC, M and TKY) instead of this one, since a SW costs three times more than a PH. I've received three replacement chokes from Trulock. Good guys and good chokes, I'm happy. Btw, I also did pattern my shotgun a lot. Here is a report with some numbers and pictures is you're curios: http://bikernotes.blogspot.com/p/blog-page.html
I've also done some penetration tests.
To say it short, finally I've made two very important conclusions:
1) you do not really need to shoot those 3.5" roman candles. They over stress your shotgun mechanics, your barrel and make your OptimaHP choke swollen. You waste your money paying extra for Super Magnum and it doesn't help you as much.
2) you do not need more than 0.020 constriction (M choke) for steel shots. If you check my report mentioned above, the " Precision hunter Mod .713" which is .020 constriction has patterned at 82%. The penetration test using the 3" Challenger #2 steel shot and a "Super Waterfowl #1" tube has shown -16% less of depth in penetration against same shot but using the "Precision hunter Mod .713". So my waterfowl current setup is:
a400 + Trulock chokes SK1, IC and Mod and 2-3/4 to 3" steel shots ##3,2,1 at 1400 to 1550 fps. I do not shoot 3.5" steel shot anymore.
The 3.5" lead shot doesn't make choke swollen though.


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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A400 Barrel Failure or Problems?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 3:53 am 
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I have had several A400 Excel models that I’ve shot for a few years. The oldest one I had was purchased used from a friend. It was a 2014 model. I shot it a few years, averaging over 25,000 rounds per year, and I would estimate my friend probably had 20,000 rounds through the same gun. Last year, the barrel flange (chrome portion that extends into the receiver) cracked. The gun was well out of warranty and had over 100,000 rounds down the barrel. Coles said that this was not a replaceable part and that a new barrel would need to be purchased. (Super expensive option!)

I contacted Beretta USA, and Beretta USA repaired this gun and replaced a couple other parts for around 150$. They did have the gun for about a month if I were to find something to complain about. Another friend has a newer A400, and did have the plastic sleeve that houses the recoil spring crack. He is a high volume shooter also. The funny thing is, the gun continued to cycle with only a couple malfunctions now and then! Beretta replaced the sleeve at no cost while we waited at a large tournament, and sent him a free one by mail the second time this happened.

I’ve found the a400 to be the most reliable auto I’ve ever owned.


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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A400 Barrel Failure or Problems?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:37 am 
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i3rider-I think if you go to carpenter steel this will alleviate the choke swelling problems. I agree with you that the choke design sucks. The skirt is way to thin. Carlson's told me to never shoot steel from anything tighter than light mod and if I do, get a carpenter steel choke.(which I did from them) I believe patternmaster's are made with carpenter steel too.

Claycrusher-My 400's and my son's 350 have been some of the most reliable auto's we have owned. I too have seen this barrel fracture you speak of. Did Beretta fix it or replace the barrel? The two guys I know that this happened too had the part replaced(by Beretta) and the barrel did not have to be replaced.


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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A400 Barrel Failure or Problems?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:28 am 
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The piston chamber came off the bottom of the barrel. Warranty denied, took it to Eubanks Gumsmithing and Roger soldered it back to the barrel and re-blued. Like new now. Everything breaks sooner or later.


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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A400 Barrel Failure or Problems?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:34 am 
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3m1617 wrote:
i3rider-I think if you go to carpenter steel this will alleviate the choke swelling problems. I agree with you that the choke design sucks. The skirt is way to thin. Carlson's told me to never shoot steel from anything tighter than light mod and if I do, get a carpenter steel choke.(which I did from them) I believe patternmaster's are made with carpenter steel too.

Claycrusher-My 400's and my son's 350 have been some of the most reliable auto's we have owned. I too have seen this barrel fracture you speak of. Did Beretta fix it or replace the barrel? The two guys I know that this happened too had the part replaced(by Beretta) and the barrel did not have to be replaced.

Good point. I can see there is:
"Beretta Optima HP Delta Waterfowl Ext Super Steel Choke w/C455 steel 12Ga" - it is somewhat more expensive that the rest of Carlson offerings for that extra strength reason. I will make a bookmark on it for those rare cases when I decide to shoot the 3.5" steel again. So far my Trulock Mod throws excellent patter and 82% pellet density for my a400. It doesn't seem to get affected while I refrain from shooting 3.5" steel.

Claycrusher,
100K shots out of your Beretta - is solid background. As per Mr Randy W., the Beretta a390 which is very popular in Argentine dove hunting guide services takes such amount of shooting every year and the only part which wears up then breaks is the https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/C50581 - the Connecting Rod. I think a350 and a400 are free of this problem due to totally different design of their action mechanics.
But the barrel flange reliability could be better. But anyways, I do not think I will be able to get to the 100K shots milestone soon enough ))


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 Post subject: Re: Beretta A400 Barrel Failure or Problems?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:08 am 
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Tvbh40a wrote:
The piston chamber came off the bottom of the barrel. Warranty denied, took it to Eubanks Gumsmithing and Roger soldered it back to the barrel and re-blued. Like new now. Everything breaks sooner or later.


That Sucks! glad you could get it fixed. Sometimes if I'm limited to time and trying to brush up on some targets before a shoot I can fire a bunch of shells in an hour. My barrel heats up considerably and I have thought about the piston chamber before. I will def keep an eye on it. Few years back, I was shooting an 1100 on a hot August day at my property practicing. I set the gun down to load clays in the MEC and when I picked up the gun the front 1/3 of the rib(just in front of the receiver) had broke loose from the barrel. A local gunsmith re-soldered it.




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