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 Post subject: Stumped on shotgun ID and value, Please help shotgun guru's
PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:21 pm 
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I was asked to help identify this shot gun and an approximate value I took as detailed pictures as i could, I can see the words Krupp Fluss-stahl and on the top just under the latch it is engraved Monopol.

Some insight would be greatly appreciated
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 Post subject: Re: Stumped on shotgun ID and value, Please help shotgun gur
PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:07 pm 
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It appears to me to be some sort of Germanic three barreled gun,,a drilling,,,with cocking indicators for all three barrels. Most of those were in some German "oddball" rifle caliber on the bottom barrel and 16 gauge for both the shotgun barrels. Somebody can read the proof marks and tell you what you have, but I can't.

Most of the German drillings I've seen were priced in the three thousand dollar range.


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 Post subject: Re: Stumped on shotgun ID and value, Please help shotgun gur
PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:20 pm 
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Do a google search on 'monopol drillings', there are a couple threads on doublegunshop.com that will pop up. There is a little guidance on reading some of the stampings/proof marks.

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 Post subject: Re: Stumped on shotgun ID and value, Please help shotgun gur
PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:21 pm 
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This my best guess. It is of German manufacture and has Krupp barrels made of what is known as fluid steel. Stahl is German for steel If I remember correctly. It is most likely a 16 ga with a 9mm straight case long center-fire rifle under. It's called a dreilling. Drei is the German word for three, three barrels. My spelling could be off a bit, I don't really speak nor write Deutch, just what I picked up from grandparents and having lived in Germany back in '72.

There used to be a mom and pop gun shop on every other street corner in Germany way back then. They bought barrels and other lock and action parts from a supply house that only sold the raw forged and formed pieces. Hans then crafted those parts into a fine specimen of a firearm that may or may not have a brand name on it. Many times the craftsman engraved his name on it somewhere. Sometimes the gun maker was a talented engraver and did the engraving himself, other times he had a friend down the street who did the engraving, same with the stock work.

Most of these old beauties are a one of a kind masterpiece hand fitted from the get go. No two exactly the same. Parts are available just like when they were new, you make them.

Krupp was the big well respected steel manufacturer in Germany back in those days. If it said Krupp, it was as good as it got!

The Monopol is baffling to me. I can't think of anything that it might refer to in firearms. Three barrels, 2 triggers, and it seems an unlikely name for a Deutch gun craftsman, but.....

What's it worth? All you can get for it. It's a nice specimen but it isn't all that unusual or unique, nor is it a Purdy or Holland & Holland. I once built a stock for one very similar to it except this one was a side lock with exposed hammers. It said Krupp Steel on the barrels, so I suspect it had been specifically made for the English speaking market. Talk about a bear inleting a side lock with tangs. I acquired a great deal of respect for a master stock maker after that experience. Suffice it to say, my job was not a gnat's butt tight fit to the metal. But it looked better than the bailing wire and tinker tape holding the broken stock on hanging over a fireplace! I think I've still got the original broken stock around here someplace.

Nice piece, but in my estimation not something you could retire on.

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 Post subject: Re: Stumped on shotgun ID and value, Please help shotgun gur
PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:51 pm 
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That you very much for the reply, I appreciate it. I will try to decipher the Hallmark on it,

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