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 Post subject: Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 Gauge question
PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:03 pm 
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On the Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 Gauge.. Is there a Pre 1977 that is a standard size frame (large ring barrel) 20 Gauge,,and is there a later, after 1977, light weight, (small ring barrel), 20 Gauge..

If there is a small frame wingmaster is it also called a LW and LT in 20 Gauge?

If there is standard and small frame wingmaster, how can you tell them apart at first look??

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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 Gauge question
PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:31 pm 
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Stano,
There is indeed a pre 1977 20 gauge with a large barrel ring...I have one. I also have a 1984 20 gauge LW magnum which shoots 2 3/4" and 3" shells. I believe both the standard (2 3/4" shells only) and the magnum models from 1977 and later have the same size barrel ring, however I also believe the magnum barrels will not interchange with the standard (2 3/4" shells only) models. I can try to measure the barrel rings tonight if that would help.

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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 Gauge question
PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:14 pm 
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If a quarter will pass thru the barrel ring it's the standard size (12 GA.) frame 20 GA. barrel, if it doesn't it's a smaller framed 20 GA. barrel. Virginian is the Remington go to guy on here and knows his stuff, maybe he can instruct you better about the barrels.


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 Gauge question
PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:34 pm 
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All barrels will interchange within the standard and lightweight LW models, but not with each other. The 3" shells will not eject properly unless there is a 3" ejector and ejector spring, but otherwise the receivers are identical.
There is no LT Model 870, only in Model 1100s. Easiest way to tell is by serial number suffix:
X 20 GA. “STANDARD FRAME” (DISCONTINUED)
N 20 GA. “STANDARD FRAME MAGNUM” (DISCONTINUED)
K 20 GA. “LIGHT WEIGHT” (“LW”) (ALSO INCLUDES M/1100 “LT”)
U 20 GA. LW MAGNUM (ALSO INCLUDES M/1100 “LT”)
EDIT - Special Field barrels will not interchange because the mag tube was shorter.

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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 Gauge question
PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:06 pm 
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Virginian wrote:
All barrels will interchange within the standard and lightweight LW models, but not with each other.


Virginian,
I have read this statement about 10 times and I'm still not sure I understand it. Are you saying that you can interchange standard and LW barrels on the same receiver? My memory doesn't function real well going back 30 years, but I thought I remembered Remington stating that you couldn't interchange the standard and LW barrels...could be wrong though. I fully understand about the ejector and the ejector spring.
Ok, I found what I remembered in an old 1982 Remington catalog.
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See the asterisk at the bottom of the photo. That's probably what you were saying all along, excuse my lack of reading comprehension Virginian.

Chris


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 Gauge question
PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:31 pm 
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Is there any pros and cons in the Standard 870 and the Light Weight 870 20 Gauge in Wingmaster as far as function.. We shoot mostly clays..

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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 Gauge question
PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:33 pm 
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Does the Standard 870 have remchokes in pre 1977..

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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 Gauge question
PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:55 pm 
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stano65 wrote:
Does the Standard 870 have remchokes in pre 1977..

thank you stano


Remchokes did not appear in the 870's until 1986-87. I bought a barrel with Remchokes for my 1984 20 gauge LW magnum a few years after I bought it. It originally came with a 28" modified barrel.

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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 Gauge question
PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:55 am 
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The standard and lightweight barrels do NOT interchange. I see no "pros" to the 2-3/4" chamber barrels, since a 3" barrel will work with the shorter shells just fine. Remington quit making them in the 80s except for the target models, but every one of those I have checked had a 3" chamber anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 Gauge question
PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:40 pm 
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Would this picture of the barrel which has a sudden drop or reduce in diameter on the barrel just outside of the receiver for about one half inch long be for only pre 1977 20 gauge, X or N suffix guns. May look like quick contour in a manner of speaking. thank you

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/439147000/439147277/pix378975213.jpg

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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 Gauge question
PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:41 pm 
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and would this barrel next to the receiver that has a more slanted, longer slope contour. be for a LW Post 1977 20 gauge , K or U Light Weight shotgun.

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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 Gauge question
PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2016 6:54 pm 
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Thank you to the Forum members and CLuttrell for posting the catalog of Remington 870 20ga Standard Weight Barrels


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 Gauge question
PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 12:23 am 
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stano65 wrote:
Is there any pros and cons in the Standard 870 and the Light Weight 870 20 Gauge in Wingmaster as far as function.. We shoot mostly clays..

Thank you stano

Stano, I hunt with an 870special field 20ga which has the LW frame. I am in the market for another LW for skeet and doves. They are the sweetest pump gun ever produced!

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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 Gauge question
PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:03 pm 
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Virginian wrote:
All barrels will interchange within the standard and lightweight LW models, but not with each other. The 3" shells will not eject properly unless there is a 3" ejector and ejector spring, but otherwise the receivers are identical.


So all one would have to do with a 2 3/4" LW 870 is swap out the ejector and ejector spring and put a 3" barrel on it to shoot 3"?

My first shotgun was an 870LW Youth model Wingmaster. I took the youth stock off and put a nice set of regular length Claro Walnut I got from Remington on it, and took the 21" youth barrel off and put a 2 3/4" 26" Remchoke barrel on it. Makes a great dove gun. I've always kinda wished it was a 3" though so I could let the kids use it duck hunting.


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 Gauge question
PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:35 pm 
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Jeepwm69 wrote:
Virginian wrote:
All barrels will interchange within the standard and lightweight LW models, but not with each other. The 3" shells will not eject properly unless there is a 3" ejector and ejector spring, but otherwise the receivers are identical.


So all one would have to do with a 2 3/4" LW 870 is swap out the ejector and ejector spring and put a 3" barrel on it to shoot 3"?

My first shotgun was an 870LW Youth model Wingmaster. I took the youth stock off and put a nice set of regular length Claro Walnut I got from Remington on it, and took the 21" youth barrel off and put a 2 3/4" 26" Remchoke barrel on it. Makes a great dove gun. I've always kinda wished it was a 3" though so I could let the kids use it duck hunting.


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 Gauge question
PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:49 pm 
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Jeepwm69 wrote:
Jeepwm69 wrote:
Virginian wrote:
All barrels will interchange within the standard and lightweight LW models, but not with each other. The 3" shells will not eject properly unless there is a 3" ejector and ejector spring, but otherwise the receivers are identical.


So all one would have to do with a 2 3/4" LW 870 is swap out the ejector and ejector spring and put a 3" barrel on it to shoot 3"?

My first shotgun was an 870LW Youth model Wingmaster. I took the youth stock off and put a nice set of regular length Claro Walnut I got from Remington on it, and took the 21" youth barrel off and put a 2 3/4" 26" Remchoke barrel on it. Makes a great dove gun. I've always kinda wished it was a 3" though so I could let the kids use it duck hunting.


Buller....Bueller.....

By the time you spend what it will take to convert to 3in, you can buy a nice used 870 express for the occasional duck hunt

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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 Gauge question
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If you are handy, you can convert one for well under $100. All you need is the 3" ejector spring - $4.12. You gently pop the old spring off the rivets; you may need to grind just a little. Install the new spring on the old rivets and re-rivet with the existing rivets backed up by smooth steel with a sheet of typing paper in between so you don't mark up the receiver. As an alternative, you can drill and tap the rivet, in place, and use a small machine screw to hold the spring.

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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 Gauge question
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 4:06 pm 
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Hmmm. Interesting. I don't know that I'll actually do it, but good to know that I can if I want to. More likely I'll just try to find an 870LW in 3". I have one express that I bought specifically for waterfowl and while it works, I much prefer the Wingmasters.


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 Gauge question
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 4:06 pm 
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double tap. Sorry bout that.


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 Post subject: Re: Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 Gauge question
PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2016 10:27 am 
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Thanks again for the people that helped us out figuring the X (standard frame) and K (lightweight frame).. in 20 gauge

We now have a X and K and I think there is a U also. Last three times I went to the range I used the K. had a blast each time.

We have a home made device that when you shoot it, it puts a 16oz plastic pop bottle almost to the top of the trees. So we use a 20ga 1/2oz to activate it and 20ga 3/4oz or sometimes 5/8oz sometimes the 1/2,, to blow the pop bottle away. SXS is fun but the pump K gun sometimes, can get three shots, first one to activate and second to hit it and, if your lucky, the third one to blow it away,, but the third shot is usually a long one for the light loads..

These 20 gauge guns are becoming my favorite ones for now...

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