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 Post subject: Is this an SBS ?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:22 am 
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I'm thinking a bout this benelli, but from the pic it surely looks like this would be classified as an SBS.

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 Post subject: Re: Is this an SBS ?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:48 am 
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If the barrel is <18" it's an SBS.

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 Post subject: Re: Is this an SBS ?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:00 pm 
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Thank you. I wanted to make sure I was thinking correctly on this.

The seller has been informed and has decided to proceed accordingly.


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 Post subject: Re: Is this an SBS ?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:09 pm 
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No stamp, and below 18" = major felony

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 Post subject: Re: Is this an SBS ?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:03 pm 
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The seller should have supplied the barrel length on that Benelli Nova pumpgun, so there's be no guessing involved.

Shotguns can be legally had by civillians in the US with barrels shorter than 18" ONLY IF they were originally factory issued with a pistol grip stock (aka: PGO).

Witness the various legal versions of the 14" bbl'd Shockwave's made by Mossberg & Remington.

In all cases, the 26" OAL requirement must be met.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/media/c ... /52315.jpg

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Because my Mossberg wasn't issued as a PGO, the shortest barrel I could make with the Shockwave grip installed was 18".

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 Post subject: Re: Is this an SBS ?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:21 pm 
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Typical PGO grips are vertical and do not cover the OAL requirement. Those with 14" barrels typically come with a bird's head grip as shown in your pic

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 Post subject: Re: Is this an SBS ?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:31 pm 
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Why I installed the Shockwave ILO a vertical PG.

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 Post subject: Re: Is this an SBS ?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:03 am 
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oneounceload wrote:
No stamp, and below 18" = major felony


Serious question - how do owners of the .410 pistols not fall under that same law?


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 Post subject: Re: Is this an SBS ?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:44 am 
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Rubberhead wrote:
oneounceload wrote:
No stamp, and below 18" = major felony


Serious question - how do owners of the .410 pistols not fall under that same law?


Because the pistols have rifled barrels. That’s why they pattern like sh!t.


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 Post subject: Re: Is this an SBS ?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:51 am 
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CriscoKid wrote:
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The seller should have supplied the barrel length on that Benelli Nova pumpgun, so there's be no guessing involved.

Shotguns can be legally had by civillians in the US with barrels shorter than 18" ONLY IF they were originally factory issued with a pistol grip stock (aka: PGO).

Witness the various legal versions of the 14" bbl'd Shockwave's made by Mossberg & Remington.

In all cases, the 26" OAL requirement must be met.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/media/c ... /52315.jpg

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Because my Mossberg wasn't issued as a PGO, the shortest barrel I could make with the Shockwave grip installed was 18".

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Just to be clear Kid, those are NOT "Shotguns".

Those are FIREARMS that just, so happen, to shoot shotgun shells.

Yes, it is a nit-picking LEGAL distinction, BUT, it is THE distinction that prevents a Shockwave from being an SBS, AND prevents people from going to Club Fed for owning/possessing one.

An SBS stated life as a Shotgun, to be more clean, an LBS (Long Barreled Shotgun (barrel at or over 18"long)), and was shortened, either with cutting tools or a manufactured sub-18" barrel.

The Shockwave, was never in it's life a stocked, long-barreled shotgun, same for the Remington Tac, it's cousin, neither ever existed in the known universe AS a LBS, so they are not "Shotguns".
The receivers of those are not "Mossberg 500" or "870" or whatever else, receivers, they are in some manner physically different, not compatible.

They are a "firearm" that is taking advantage of an overlapping spot in BATFE regulations that have existed for decades.
They just happen to shoot shotgun shells.

This is the reason you cannot home-make your own "Shockwave" out of your Mossberg 500 without BATFE Approval Paperwork (prior), because your Mossy was a Shotgun, you cannot turn it into a "firearm", all you can make is an SBS (legally, or illegally)

Now, IF you could buy a Shockwave receiver, you could build your own Shockwave, because that receiver isn't a Shotgun, it's a Firearm.


Going from memory here on the finer points........
Cut their barrel shorter than 14" and they become an AOW.
Put a full stock on them instead of a Birdshead or a PGO and they become an SBS.
IIRC put a vertical fore-grip on them and they become an AOW

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 Post subject: Re: Is this an SBS ?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:54 am 
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Rubberhead wrote:
oneounceload wrote:
No stamp, and below 18" = major felony


Serious question - how do owners of the .410 pistols not fall under that same law?

Rifled barrels AND less bore not more than half-inch diameter.

Taurus tried to bring North a 28-gauge version of the .45/.410 Judge, the bore was too big, it was either a DD or an AOW, NFA Regulated, so it never came here.

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 Post subject: Re: Is this an SBS ?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:49 pm 
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Thanks guys - I had no idea.


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 Post subject: Re: Is this an SBS ?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:51 am 
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Is the Ithaca Auto & Burglar now a non restricted firearm?


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 Post subject: Re: Is this an SBS ?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:56 pm 
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Please note the barrels used on the Shockwave type of firearm will not interchange
with a Standard receiver.


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 Post subject: Re: Is this an SBS ?
PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:15 pm 
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The Mossberg 500 and 590 AKA Shockwave are the exact same receiver, same parts on the inside, totally interchangeable. Why would you guys think they are different?




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