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 Post subject: Shooting and Vision
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:16 pm 
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TROUBLE-SHOOTING eye vision.

I had trouble passing my vision test on drivers license
just last week,  passed it, but it took me 5 minutes.
Went to Walmart vision center,  got my eyes examined
by their optometrist,  got  prescription,  then ordered
some lenses for my ray-ban  shooting glasses.
Today got my ray-bans returned with new lenses
installed.  I could see pretty well with them but
something was wrong.  Yea,  something was just not
right in my ability to focus.  I could see everything
but it was JUST NOT RIGHT.  So I went on home,  and
later on my back porch,  I am checking out these new
lenses and reading the street signs nearby and looking at
leaves on trees. 

I notice I can see the leaves individually but they just
DON'T SEEM RIGHT, 

Then I cover my left lens,  and everything is blurr.
Uncover it and I can see but somehow it just
does not seem right.  So I cover my right lens.
BANG, EVERYTHING IS NOW PERFECT FOCUS. 

What this tells me,  something is terribly wrong
in the right eye prescription or the lens. 

Your brain has an area that processes the right eye
and it has an area that processes the left
eye.  It has the ability to perceive which  one
is better than the other,  So if figures out what
you are seeing by using the eye that is most accurate.

That is my theory.

Tomorrow I will go back to the Walmart vision
center and let them try to figure out what went
wrong with the right side becoming worse with
glasses than without them. They will replace
any lens for 60 days free of charge, pretty
good deal.

I also set up an appointment with another optician
to see what prescription he comes up with.
This could get interesting.




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 Post subject: Re: Shooting and Vision
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:48 pm 
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I had to start wearing glasses last year. I got some raybans for driving and shooting and they're okay but the clear glasses I got are progressive and stink. I have to wear them upside down (right and left are swapped) for looking at the computer or watching the idiot box.


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 Post subject: Re: Shooting and Vision
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:13 pm 
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Your last sentence is the one you need to focus on. Sooner than later


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 Post subject: Re: Shooting and Vision
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:51 pm 
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Not to pick nits, but if you were seeing an "optician" at Walmart, that was your first problem. Opticians are not the ones who figure out what prescription you need. That's for an "optometrist", an OD, or an ophthamologist, a MD, to do. The optician helps get the new lenses into your frame correctly and tweak the frame to fit your face correctly so the lens' optical centers are where they need to be.

That said, I've read that, at least in the past, some of the optical centers at some Walmarts didn't have an optometrist even on staff.

I'm having a similar issue in that my right eye, post cataract surgery, hasn't been stable enough to find a Rx that's worth a crap...one day it'll work and the next it needs something different. BUT with a new RX for my left eye that works great, with both eyes the brain kicks in and gets my vision with both eyes close but not quite right....and I'm up to 7 or 8 different doc's trying to figure out wtf is going on!

Oh, and it plays hell on targets coming from the left when that eye tries to take over.


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 Post subject: Re: Shooting and Vision
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:51 pm 
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Okay, looked at my paper work, and it actually is optometrists I am dealing with, not opticians.
Maybe tomorrow I can start getting this worked out. It would be great to get my right eye working
as good as my left is with that left eye correction.

One thing bothers me about all this. Glasses actually make your eyes worse over time according to what I have read on the subject. What happens is that with the prescription that gets your vision perfect, your eyes then get exercised less trying to focus, and they become lazy. As they become lazy, pretty soon you need more correction and this goes on and on. I know that seemed to happen with my wife, every few years she needed a more powerful prescription.

There are vision specialists who specialize in correcting your vision. Something most people don't realize is this, if you wear glasses, and stop wearing them, your vision actually gets better. Your eyes start getting exercised more and become more able to focus correctly than when you wore glasses. The people who specialize in correcting vision use that principle and they only prescribe about half the amount of correction that the eye tests indicate you need. That way your eyes get exercised, and your vision gets better. Pretty soon, as you got better they give another new prescription with even less correction than the previous one, and this process goes on for a while until you are not using any prescription. So this idea of getting my eyes prescribed right is not the most comforting thing, if over time the eyes will become worse. Maybe I should only get about half the correction needed for perfect correction. It is all very puzzling.

A person could change their dominance by fooling around with prescriptions also. Like right now with this present prescription, my left eye sees great, and the right eye with these glasses is not even as good as it is with no lens over it. If I wore those constantly, I am pretty sure that over a short time, my dominance would switch to the left eye. I actually went through that back about 15 years ago, I was left eye dominant, and far sighted both eyes, I had the CK procedure done to my right eye, and but did not do the left one. Over a short time my right eye was seeing a lot more clear and my dominance changed in short order, now I was right eye dominant. That was great, because I am right handed and had been cross dominant. A year or two later I had the left eye far sightedness fixed with the CK procedure also. and then both eyes became pretty much correct, and there was no stimulus for the dominance to change, so I have stayed right eye dominant. BUT if I wore this present pair of glasses I am pretty sure my brain would object to that vision just like it did 15 years ago and it would switch the dominance back to left. I really want to avoid that.


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 Post subject: Re: Shooting and Vision
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:59 pm 
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For a guy who lead off with ‘barely passed the driving eye test’, you best not overthink things. Get your butt to a top quality eye doc if you care about seeing things clearly, and don’t Mumbai jumbo yourself with what happens to eyes after wearing corrective lenses.

I know dead guys that can pass the DMV tests.......


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 Post subject: Re: Shooting and Vision
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:19 pm 
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So I should stop thinking? I might become a democrat if I did that. Everything has it's dangers. I prefer to keep thinking. I am seeing two optometrists tomorrow. I don't know if they are the best. In fact I suspect it would be pretty difficult to figure out who is best. Is there some rating outfit that rates opthamologist or optometrists. I suspect it will become apparent which one gets me better results. If not, then I can come up with plan B or C.


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 Post subject: Re: Shooting and Vision
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:52 pm 
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Never mind, you’re just playing games....... focus on your muscle car you won’t be able to drive, or harp about those boring and fast competition targets you can’t see. Go get em your way, Mr. Maggoo.


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 Post subject: Re: Shooting and Vision
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:06 am 
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tonysays wrote:
I had to start wearing glasses last year. I got some raybans for driving and shooting and they're okay but the clear glasses I got are progressive and stink. I have to wear them upside down (right and left are swapped) for looking at the computer or watching the idiot box.

Instead of criticizing on of the greatest eyewear inventions of all time, the progressive lens, why don’t you spend some time thinking why it isn’t working for you. Then you could get those peculiarities worked into a fix for your lenses. Are they made correctly? Do you sit 4 inches away from the screen so that you would have to raise your head at an extreme angle to use the lower part of your lenses? Is the optical center to high or low for your head posture? Do you have too much + add in the lower part of your lenses and need to use the middle more to read? All kinds of possible reasons for the problem. But turning the glasses
Upside down isn’t a sensible fix for any of them.

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 Post subject: Re: Shooting and Vision
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:10 am 
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there are many things that can go wrong with your eyes, I know because I have had my share. most can be treated and they usually don't get better on their own. you should see an opthamologist.


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 Post subject: Re: Shooting and Vision
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:39 am 
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Rooster booster wrote:
Never mind, you’re just playing games....... focus on your muscle car you won’t be able to drive, or harp about those boring and fast competition targets you can’t see. Go get em your way, Mr. Maggoo.

Okay, I will play my games, focus on my car, and fast targets.
Thanks for the advice, don't know what I would have done without your wisdom, but I would probably have played my games, focused on my car, and fast targets when I shoot them.


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 Post subject: Re: Shooting and Vision
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:49 am 
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rans wrote:
there are many things that can go wrong with your eyes, I know because I have had my share. most can be treated and they usually don't get better on their own. you should see an opthamologist.

That is probably good advice. I last saw an opthamologist about 14 years ago. I am in a new area right now and really don't know anyone here. For right now I can tell something is wrong with my prescription, because I can actually see better at distance with my right eye than with the prescription that this optometrist just gave me. I can't tell what is going on, but I am getting another check this afternoon. What are the odds that these two different optometrists give me the same prescription?


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 Post subject: Re: Shooting and Vision
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:51 am 
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JoeCool wrote:
rans wrote:
there are many things that can go wrong with your eyes, I know because I have had my share. most can be treated and they usually don't get better on their own. you should see an opthamologist.

That is probably good advice. I last saw an opthamologist about 14 years ago. I am in a new area right now and really don't know anyone here. For right now I can tell something is wrong with my prescription, because I can actually see better at distance with my right eye than with the prescription that this optometrist just gave me. I can't tell what is going on, but I am getting another check this afternoon. What are the odds that these two different optometrists give me the same prescription?

Two things, first, the prescriptions from different doc's should be very close. We all have slight variations from day to day but often it's not enough to change the required prescription.

Second, I'd you have a new primary care doc, or any doc in your area that you like and trust, ask him who he would go to or send a family member to, NOT just who he recommends! I learned about phrasing the question this way when the kids needed braces. Our dentist had a list of orthodontists in the front office but the guy the doc would send his kids to wasn't even on it. I'm guessing the "official" list were all part of some dental group.

Final thought, you should have received a copy of your prescription when you got your glasses. Have the new doc's put the glasses in their machine to see what you actually got. Over the years I've had a couple times where what came back from the lab was not what the prescription called for.


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 Post subject: Re: Shooting and Vision
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:03 pm 
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JoeCool wrote:
Okay, looked at my paper work, and it actually is optometrists I am dealing with, not opticians.
Maybe tomorrow I can start getting this worked out. It would be great to get my right eye working
as good as my left is with that left eye correction.

One thing bothers me about all this. Glasses actually make your eyes worse over time according to what I have read on the subject. What happens is that with the prescription that gets your vision perfect, your eyes then get exercised less trying to focus, and they become lazy. As they become lazy, pretty soon you need more correction and this goes on and on. I know that seemed to happen with my wife, every few years she needed a more powerful prescription.

There are vision specialists who specialize in correcting your vision. Something most people don't realize is this, if you wear glasses, and stop wearing them, your vision actually gets better. Your eyes start getting exercised more and become more able to focus correctly than when you wore glasses. The people who specialize in correcting vision use that principle and they only prescribe about half the amount of correction that the eye tests indicate you need. That way your eyes get exercised, and your vision gets better. Pretty soon, as you got better they give another new prescription with even less correction than the previous one, and this process goes on for a while until you are not using any prescription. So this idea of getting my eyes prescribed right is not the most comforting thing, if over time the eyes will become worse. Maybe I should only get about half the correction needed for perfect correction. It is all very puzzling.

A person could change their dominance by fooling around with prescriptions also. Like right now with this present prescription, my left eye sees great, and the right eye with these glasses is not even as good as it is with no lens over it. If I wore those constantly, I am pretty sure that over a short time, my dominance would switch to the left eye. I actually went through that back about 15 years ago, I was left eye dominant, and far sighted both eyes, I had the CK procedure done to my right eye, and but did not do the left one. Over a short time my right eye was seeing a lot more clear and my dominance changed in short order, now I was right eye dominant. That was great, because I am right handed and had been cross dominant. A year or two later I had the left eye far sightedness fixed with the CK procedure also. and then both eyes became pretty much correct, and there was no stimulus for the dominance to change, so I have stayed right eye dominant. BUT if I wore this present pair of glasses I am pretty sure my brain would object to that vision just like it did 15 years ago and it would switch the dominance back to left. I really want to avoid that.


1st paragraph I agree
2nd & 3rd paragraphs are entirely false and not based in fact.
4th I didn't even read

Not picking on you Joe but misinformation is worse than none.


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 Post subject: Re: Shooting and Vision
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:47 pm 
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If you had a kidney stone would you go to a stone mason ?

Go to an MD. Do what he says.

Jeez Louise.

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 Post subject: Re: Shooting and Vision
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:06 pm 
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I believe I have posted this before, but my son was in for an annual eye exam and the Dr. diagnosed him with Coats disease. Nothing to mess around with. Had to go to a specialist for laser treatments.
https://www.healthline.com/health/coats-disease

I myself went in for a hearing exam, thinking hearing loss was shooting related. Dr. said your results don't match up with hearing loss from shooting. Long story short, went to a specialist and found a tumor on my acoustic nerve.

Moral of the story, when health is on the line, don't go to Walmart or some discount doctor, get the best care you can.

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 Post subject: Re: Shooting and Vision
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:48 pm 
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xsshooter wrote:
I believe I have posted this before, but my son was in for an annual eye exam and the Dr. diagnosed him with Coats disease. Nothing to mess around with. Had to go to a specialist for laser treatments.
https://www.healthline.com/health/coats-disease

I myself went in for a hearing exam, thinking hearing loss was shooting related. Dr. said your results don't match up with hearing loss from shooting. Long story short, went to a specialist and found a tumor on my acoustic nerve.

Moral of the story, when health is on the line, don't go to Walmart or some discount doctor, get the best care you can.

Yes, but optometry is a valuable and respectable alternative to ophthalmology for the vast majority of patients only requiring a routine exam including for glaucoma and refraction for eyeglasses. The optometrist will refer a patient to an ophthalmologist if his exam indicates it. And most optometrists are equipped these days with very advanced instrumentation capable of much of the same tests as performed by ophthalmologists. Relying on an optometrist until advised otherwise is not wrong. Furthermore there is no reason to believe that an independent optometrist co-located with Wal-Mart,’Sam’s or Costco is not fully qualified, licensed and capable.

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 Post subject: Re: Shooting and Vision
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:09 pm 
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DooFighter wrote:
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2nd & 3rd paragraphs are entirely false and not based in fact.
4th I didn't even read

Not picking on you Joe but misinformation is worse than none.

Well the 2nd and 3rd might not be fact, but I read a a really good book on it, tried the procedures and they worked. So I got to say, your facts are entirely wrong. Not picking on you, just happen to read one of the best books on vision ever that made those points, then checked them out and found them to be true. The book was "Relearning to see". Maybe you should read it and tell the author he got it wrong. Not picking on you, but I don't think you know everything in the world. I like to check things out. That book told a pretty good story backed it with research and sources. I am not going into them, it would take a whole book. Once you know everything in the world you can educate me. Until then, just telling me something is not fact falls very short. If you can't do any better than that, you maybe should just actknowledge you are unprepared to take on the task and save yourself the trouble of saying something you can't back up. But maybe you can back it up, so go ahead, You don't come near making the case that the book did, but when you do, you can show up and educate me. Until then, we can wait on your fact based rebuttal.


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 Post subject: Re: Shooting and Vision
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:50 pm 
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Ain’t gonna be reading zip, unless you get your peepers checked out and taken care of properly. But keep asking dumb questions on an Internet forum with a thin skin:-)


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 Post subject: Re: Shooting and Vision
PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:19 pm 
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