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 Post subject: O/U Shotgun Fitting?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:28 pm 
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So you go to a special shotgun fitter, get all the various adjustments (lop, cast, drop, pitch, etc) set on the articulated gun stock, shoot it to check everything is right, record measurement numbers.... how do you acquire this custom stock for your gun and what is the cost?




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 Post subject: Re: O/U Shotgun Fitting?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:39 pm 
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Bo'nanza wrote:
So you go to a special shotgun fitter, get all the various adjustments (lop, cast, drop, pitch, etc) set on the articulated gun stock, shoot it to check everything is right, record measurement numbers.... how do you acquire this custom stock for your gun and what is the cost?


three options

1. you got to Weinigs in MO and drop $3000 on a custom stock
2. you go to Essevierre in Italy and spend EUR 700 on a custom stock (more if you want really high quality wood) by one of two brothers who have cut stocks for about a dozen olympic medalists. I have two such stocks. One from each brother
3. get a modular stock from either TSK or Nill. I would go with the TSK. they are EUR 1500 here. Prolly much more in the US. You can adjust them up or down depending on weight gain or loss as you age.

just my humble opinion and YMMV

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 Post subject: Re: O/U Shotgun Fitting?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:37 pm 
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Adjustable comb ($300) and adjustable butt plate ($200) and adjust to your custom measurements.


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 Post subject: Re: O/U Shotgun Fitting?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 11:18 pm 
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that doesn't really change the pitch, length of grip to trigger, grip shape, or cast though, it just mostly changes the back half of part of it.


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 Post subject: O/U Shotgun Fitting?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:22 am 
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Another option is to take the gun you have and get fitted by a reputable fitter for $500 or less. They may want to cut and bend on your stock.


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 Post subject: Re: O/U Shotgun Fitting?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:29 am 
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There may be a more cost-effective way to modify your current gun to fit better.

Suggest contacting Gil Ash: [email protected]


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 Post subject: Re: O/U Shotgun Fitting?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:30 am 
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I used Phil Simms near Grand Junction, Colorado. I drove the 350 miles to his place. Arrive Friday morning at 1000 as instructed and spent a half day mounting the shotgun and shooting the pattern board, as well as answering questions and shooting a bunch of clays. We went through his huge selection of blanks and selected the wood. I returned the next morning and the roughed out blank was ready so back to the pattern board. A few adjustments later we were out on his range. A couple hours later I paid my bill and headed home. Three weeks later FedEx arrived and I could not have been more pleased. Feel free to ask me anything.

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 Post subject: Re: O/U Shotgun Fitting?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:45 am 
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fiver wrote:
that doesn't really change the pitch, length of grip to trigger, grip shape, or cast though, it just mostly changes the back half of part of it.

While you are correct, it is largely moot. Pitch is easy and cheap to have fixed by a decent gunsmith. Doesn’t have to be a real stock maker. As for grip to trigger distance, that can be addressed with an adjustable trigger, either OEM or aftermarket.

The hard one is cast. Getting enough, especially on an O/U isn’t easy. Bending has its limits and often reverses itself over time. Some wood is just really hard to deal with.

Now grip shape could be a problem, but you are not going to fix that very easily except with a custom stock. Sure you can take material off an existing grip, but not put any on very reasonably. If that is the only problem you can’t fix, my advice is to live with it.


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 Post subject: Re: O/U Shotgun Fitting?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:17 am 
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Gunsite Guy wrote:
I used Phil Simms near Grand Junction, Colorado. I drove the 350 miles to his place. Arrive Friday morning at 1000 as instructed and spent a half day mounting the shotgun and shooting the pattern board, as well as answering questions and shooting a bunch of clays. We went through his huge selection of blanks and selected the wood. I returned the next morning and the roughed out blank was ready so back to the pattern board. A few adjustments later we were out on his range. A couple hours later I paid my bill and headed home. Three weeks later FedEx arrived and I could not have been more pleased. Feel free to ask me anything.

s/f Steve


Cost all in?


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 Post subject: Re: O/U Shotgun Fitting?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:44 am 
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Gunsite Guy wrote:
I used Phil Simms near Grand Junction, Colorado. I drove the 350 miles to his place. Arrive Friday morning at 1000 as instructed and spent a half day mounting the shotgun and shooting the pattern board, as well as answering questions and shooting a bunch of clays. We went through his huge selection of blanks and selected the wood. I returned the next morning and the roughed out blank was ready so back to the pattern board. A few adjustments later we were out on his range. A couple hours later I paid my bill and headed home. Three weeks later FedEx arrived and I could not have been more pleased. Feel free to ask me anything.

s/f Steve

And the cost was?


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 Post subject: Re: O/U Shotgun Fitting?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:41 pm 
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Cost all in?


friend of a friend wrote:
And the cost was?


If I was the OP I wouldn't give out what my cost was as it could be different for others so If you really need to know call the place yourself and find out from the source.

But that's just me as I try and do 99% of my own leg work. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: O/U Shotgun Fitting?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 12:53 pm 
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Total cost at the time was $400 for the fitting and $2400 for the stock. The price includes an adjustable comb and a matching forearm. The shotgun is a Blaser F-3 competition. I did not select any special wood but rather I told him to pick the piece he thought best. He selected a very dense thus heavy piece of walnut. It really is awesome looking and did not cost extra.

Two of the things I asked for and got was a more substantial palm swell and a slight shortening of the distance from the small of the stock (grip) and the trigger. It was Phil's suggestion to help keep me from canting. The checking is perfect to my untrained eye. I almost forgot. He also wanted to add weight to the stock with just the wood. I think he was going for 5 oz to start and it ended up 4 oz heavier, balancing perfectly.

I'm primarily a Sporting shooter and have all the barrel sets so it is really worth it to me. It has taken all my will power to not go back for a custom stock on a couple of other guns. This time of year I pull out my bird guns and safe queens and I really miss the pure joy of a custom fitted stock.

Be warned, "Wood Porn" is addictive. When he is finished with a stock, it is a work of art. The wood blanks he has on hand can make your stomach ache.

s/f Steve


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 Post subject: Re: O/U Shotgun Fitting?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 3:31 pm 
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Gunsite Guy wrote:
Total cost at the time was $400 for the fitting and $2400 for the stock. The price includes an adjustable comb and a matching forearm. The shotgun is a Blaser F-3 competition. I did not select any special wood but rather I told him to pick the piece he thought best. He selected a very dense thus heavy piece of walnut. It really is awesome looking and did not cost extra.

Two of the things I asked for and got was a more substantial palm swell and a slight shortening of the distance from the small of the stock (grip) and the trigger. It was Phil's suggestion to help keep me from canting. The checking is perfect to my untrained eye. I almost forgot. He also wanted to add weight to the stock with just the wood. I think he was going for 5 oz to start and it ended up 4 oz heavier, balancing perfectly.

I'm primarily a Sporting shooter and have all the barrel sets so it is really worth it to me. It has taken all my will power to not go back for a custom stock on a couple of other guns. This time of year I pull out my bird guns and safe queens and I really miss the pure joy of a custom fitted stock.

Be warned, "Wood Porn" is addictive. When he is finished with a stock, it is a work of art. The wood blanks he has on hand can make your stomach ache.

s/f Steve


Nice! Thanks Steve


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 Post subject: Re: O/U Shotgun Fitting?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:45 pm 
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Bonanza wrote:
So you go to a special shotgun fitter, get all the various adjustments (lop, cast, drop, pitch, etc) set on the articulated gun stock, shoot it to check everything is right, record measurement numbers.... how do you acquire this custom stock for your gun and what is the cost?

You may not need a custom stock. Bring your gun to the fitting and have it measured. A good fitter expects this. Compare your gun's measurements to the try gun measurements. You may find your gun is close to the try gun. A good fitter will give advice on easy modifications and tell you if he thinks a new stock is necessary. If the measurements are close try shooting you gun more. I have several doubles that fall within 1/8 inch of my measurements and I shoot them well.

But, if you don't want to spend a lot and want to shoot your gun with the new measurements you can try these. Length of pull is easily changed with pads or spacers to increase it. A number of shops sell slip on pads that give some length. The right saw cut will shorten it. If the cast is within 1/8 inch it is usually shootable. A lot of neutral cast guns can be filed if they are thick allowing the face to move closer to the centerline. Drop can be increased with a file or slightly raising a pad and decreased with layers of moleskin added to the comb. Pitch can be altered with a saw cut or pieces of cardboard placed under the pad.

The goal it to let you shoot your gun with the new dimensions without spending a lot. The hope is the new dimensions improve performance. Then you can decide if the cost of a custom stock is worth it. I've modified several stocks this way. Whenever I needed to file a stock I simply refinished it when I was satisfied.

Best of luck however you decide.




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