If it were My company the only shotguns I would worry about making to begin with are the Versa Max and the V3 . the V3 in synthetic , walnut , and premier . make quality # 1 in every one shipped...... A 20 ga V3 is a no brainer. A change in the cam pin in the V3 bolt carrier should be an easy redesign to correct a problem some think doesn't exist.

I could live with that. Both guns are/were well thought of and are of more " recent " designs. Sold well too. If the requests for a 20 V3 on SW was any sort of sampling, they would probably sell well also.

Now you know why CZ, Ruger, Mossberg, S&W, Beretta, FN, and everyone else with successful expertise in the industry ran away at lightning speed from Ilion.

Soon after the "Roundhill" acquisition of RemArms, Richmond Italia's G.I. Sports screwed their suppliers to the tune of $29 million dollars. G.I. Sportz racked up more than $45 million of losses since the end of 2018.

Italia tried to bust up the union, using a "improper and most likely unlawful" rehire letter that changed employment terms to employment at will. This is the same Rich Italia that fecklessly claimed Remington would reopen in a matter of weeks back in October.

The sloppy RemArms website is bizarre. No pricing, no warranty, no customer service, featuring listings for mythical firearms that failed twice and will not be made again, like the R51. https://www.remarms.com/handguns/reming ... ington-r51

No engineering staff, no dealers, no orders, no customer service, and a defective website bursting with vaporware. It is impressive.

No truer words were ever writ. I used to give Remington about a 10% chance of coming back. I'm down to 5% now.

Quite the contrary: Vista revamped the Remington Ammo website almost instantly after the acquisition and already has new Remington Ammo announced and listed, such as Remington HD.

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Vista didn't miss a beat integrating Remington Ammo into their system: a thoroughly professional and expeditious job. It was also a far more daunting project, with far more SKU's to work with, yet Vista snapped to it immediately.

Moreover, Vista started hiring vigorously, over 300 employees, last November: https://www.startribune.com/anoka-s-vis ... 573193001/ .

Do I hear 2-1/2%?

RemArms is a valueless entity. They have no cash flow, no sales, no dealers, no product managers, no engineering department, much less any customer service or dealer support. "Unfortunately, the legacy building that we have in Ilion, based on four floors is just not ideal for manufacturing in today's age." So, the ideal scenario is to basically find and move into maybe retrofit another building that somebody had left behind or build new." - - Richmond Italia.

Puzzling comments from the CEO of RemArms, who doesn't like what he (they?) bought and apparently is in a bewildering search for a mysterious building that someone left behind. It is hard to make this up. In the hardware department, Marlin had value-- which is why Ruger grabbed it.

Vista Outdoor Inc. bought the Lonoke based ammunition business and other IP assets
Sierra Bullets LLC bought Barnes ammunition
Sturm, Ruger, & Co. bought Marlin firearms
JJE Capital Holdings LLC won DPMS, H&R, Stormlake, AAC and Parker brands
Franklin Armory Holdings Inc. won Bushmaster brand and some related assets
Sportsman’s Warehouse Inc. won the Tapco brands

"Roundhill" is the only non-firearms company (or entity) involved. What they got was the only part of Remington with a non-competitive line of products, a non-competitive facility, located in a non-competitive loudly anti-gun state.

RemArms wouldn't last five minutes on Shark Tank: it falls under "pre-revenue" and noninvestable.

I thought the new owner was taking the company out of New York.

Maybe I missed it, and there`s plenty of people who think they should, but I`ve never seen that in print.

No, they do not. What they have is public information, listed inventory posted prior to the public auction. The billion-dollar banks that became the owners of Remington quit paying their vendors a long time ago, and lack of parts and raw materials led to Remington's inability to produce. The bankruptcy litigation continues today, it is far from complete.

When folks talk about "bringing back" certain models, such as the Premiers, Special Fields, and so forth they are ignoring why they were discontinued in the first place: that being lack of sales and profit and a general lack of interest. Bring back failed product makes no sense.

Lots of products did large numbers at one time, but times change. The VW Beetle sold over 23,000,000 units but that hardly makes it viable today. What was a great idea in 1950, the 870, isn't necessarily a fabulous idea in 2021.

Agreed, If the V3 is never made again I for one would not think of it as "failed" shotgun. The old Remington company perhaps, but not the V3 series of shotguns.

The V3 wasn't mentioned at all. It is peculiar to try to inject it here.

Over the years I've heard the cry to "bring back" lots of things, from '69 GTO's to Automatic-Fives, Double Autos, Model 12's, and so it goes. The problem is, regardless of nostalgia, is that these items are not manufacture-able or generally desirable today to the vast majority of consumers.

So it goes with the Special Field and Premier models. They did not sell well, nor did the 1100 G3 . . . a fabulous commercial flop. The general consumer has spoken loud and on the matter. It is senseless to reattempt the launch of commercial failures. When the proof of concept screams that the concept is a loser, there is no rational reason to travel again down a losing path.

This is not the "snipe at Wakeman for his opinions" topic.
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Can`t argue with that, there`s enough of an uphill climb as it is.

Dang, I agree with Randy!

so what I'm gathering here is that Remington should come back as a low budget stamped sheet metal MIM internal gun maker?
or an importer of turkey's guns with their name on it?


you know,,,
Ruger bought a bunch of machinery with a name attached to it.
those machines could be making golf club heads or vacuum parts right now for all we know,, but they were the intrinsic value of the purchase.

Remington had no such real value like that, of course there is some type of machinery available but I doubt it was recently upgraded equipment like the Marlin machines were.

whomever bought out the Remington stuff is kind of stuck where they are making what they were making, unless the owners have a new idea or two for a new line of guns.
it wouldn't be easy to improve on making a lesser cost gun than a bolt gun made out of a tube of steel, it's already simplified to the lowest dollar production steps.
IMO the problem wasn't the production cost [other than labor] it was the consumer relations.

Yes, that was it. At least from my personal experience, Remington customer service was first rate right up to the end.

Do you mean the folks at Roundhill? They are threatening not to open in Ilion.

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