I was amazed at how many folks bought new A400s with KOs and came in wanting the LOP or pitch changed. That is a no go and they were totally unaware. Make sure it fits before you buy it.

Yes, I tried out both shotguns before I plunked my money down.

I have really enjoyed the A400 Xtreme Plus. The KO is between the cheek pad and hand grip. The gun doesn’t feel springy while shooting. There are limited LOP adjustments, it comes with a 1/2 in spacer installed and a 1 in spacer in the box. It’s not a traditionally beautiful gun but it sure is pleasant to shoot.

You can change LOP and cast/drop using the shims and spacers, but yes, not as adjustable as a say a solid wood stock you could cut, etc.

I forget now how much you can change the LOP with a shim, but not much. You can’t reduce it. Shims change the cast or drop, but you can’t change the pitch of butt in relationship to the stock. If the gun fits, great. I’ve seen a lot of folks caught off guard by this. The recoil from the A400 is pretty mild. The point is that if you don’t really need the KO, you should probably not buy it.

I agree. Also sound advice for just about anything--don't buy it if you don't need it. I bought my skinny, 16 year old son the A400 Xtreme with KO as a waterfowl gun (we hunt Giant Canadas up here with 3.5" shells). The recoil reduction also couldn't hurt for trap either (it has insanely low recoil with light target loads)

That said, if I got my own for upland hunting or solely for shooting light target loads, I probably would not get the KO version. But that's also because I like the look of a traditional stock

I think anything you can do to eliminate recoil and stay on target is a positive.

And proper fit is the single most important element in recoil reduction.

And a KickOff!

I forget now how much you can change the LOP with a shim, but not much. You can’t reduce it. Shims change the cast or drop, but you can’t change the pitch of butt in relationship to the stock. If the gun fits, great. I’ve seen a lot of folks caught off guard by this. The recoil from the A400 is pretty mild. The point is that if you don’t really need the KO, you should probably not buy it.[/quote]

Say what? You are mixing terms here and providing inaccurate information. The "shims" change drop and cast, not pitch or LOP, and actually provide a lot of range, 50mm to 65mm. The LOP can be changed by simply using thicker or thinner Beretta or aftermarket pre-fit recoil pads and spacers - the A400's come from the factory with the Beretta 0.79" pad and the 60MM right-hand shim installed, but you can go down to as little as a 0.39" pad if you want to shorten the LOP, which is a considerable adjustment paired with changing out the shims to change the drop. I'm not aware of any factory semi-autos that come with a pitch adjustment, although you can buy aftermarket units.

If you are going to shoot a lot, the KO is a valuable addition.