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 Post subject: Re: If you had $16,000...
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:07 pm 
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First post here, longtime chukar hunter. I’ve had an MX8 20 for a long time. Love it!




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 Post subject: Re: If you had $16,000...
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:34 pm 
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sera wrote:
Merkel --yuck. East German trash.

AyA --great but you could get a nice #2 12 and 28 for 16,000.

Krieghoff- OK but you get what they sell and hope to make it fit.

Perazzi--purrrrrfect. You can get one hand made to your specs. I have bought off-the-shelf and I have custom ordered (2x) . You won't be sorry.



Yup. I like your thinking. And British Sporting Arms carries them, which is a huge plus.


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 Post subject: Re: If you had $16,000...
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:20 pm 
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Eibar wrote:
This is my third post here. Thank you for allowing me to partake of your conversation.

A question for the collective intelligence of the forum: If you had $16,000 to buy a 20ga. over and under for, mostly, upland hunting (chukars, doves, quail, pheasant...) and for an occasional sporting clays round or two, what shotgun would you buy?

Please no solid answers like an 870 and a half million rounds and so on (which would make a lot of sense). I’m thinking high-grade Beretta, Krieghoff, Merkel, Guerini, Zoli, Perazzi, AYA, etc., etc.

Thank you in advance for your response.


The most expensive Caesar Guerni Field Forum is almost $13,000.

https://gueriniusa.com/shotguns/forum/

I’d buy myself a 20 gauge Tempio for $4,500 and use the rest of the money to hunt birds.

https://gueriniusa.com/shotguns/forum/

I cannot easily count all my shotguns.

If I had to just have one, it would be my 28” 12 gauge Tempio, my wife probably paid about $2,000 for in 2007, for my 49th birthday.

It would do it all, very well.

If I could pick two, the other would be my CG 34” Summit Limited 12 gauge sporter.

All CG guns come with a lifetime warranty and three free pit stops.

I’ve never used the first pit stop on either of mine.

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 Post subject: Re: If you had $16,000...
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:42 pm 
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I would buy a Fabarm Autumn https://fabarmusa.com/autumn/ and use the rest of the money for travel, lodges, licenses, ammo, etc.


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 Post subject: Re: If you had $16,000...
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:19 pm 
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I've been fortunate enough to have been in your situation a few times, looking for a nice O&U or SxS gun mostly for hunting and occasional clays. I like a little extra embellishment on my guns and prefer a long tang, metal grip cap if possible, and amazing wood. A few of the guns that have fit this bill are the Guerini Revenant, Rizzini Grand Regal Extra, Beretta Jubilee, and Browning B15 Beauchamp. For SxS guns, while I would love a Piotti or Bertuzzi I've mostly gone with Garbi as they are handled by one importer only (William Larkin Moore) and in my opinion are finished to a higher degree than the other Spanish guns.

I'll buy a Perazzi some day but am holding out for just the right one. Same goes for K20s, the Parcours are nice.

BSA is a great source. Charles will have something to fit your needs.

Let us know what you pick.


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 Post subject: Re: If you had $16,000...
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:08 pm 
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MNGunner wrote:
I'd personally spend $4K each on 12, 16, 20 and 28 O/Us


^^^ This has my vote ^^^

I snagged my Zoli Z Extra Game in 20, for just under $4k. IMHO if I was you, I would look for four nice used guns.


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 Post subject: Re: If you had $16,000...
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:44 pm 
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casemaker65 wrote:
I've been fortunate enough to have been in your situation a few times, looking for a nice O&U or SxS gun mostly for hunting and occasional clays. I like a little extra embellishment on my guns and prefer a long tang, metal grip cap if possible, and amazing wood. A few of the guns that have fit this bill are the Guerini Revenant, Rizzini Grand Regal Extra, Beretta Jubilee, and Browning B15 Beauchamp. For SxS guns, while I would love a Piotti or Bertuzzi I've mostly gone with Garbi as they are handled by one importer only (William Larkin Moore) and in my opinion are finished to a higher degree than the other Spanish guns.

I'll buy a Perazzi some day but am holding out for just the right one. Same goes for K20s, the Parcours are nice.

BSA is a great source. Charles will have something to fit your needs.

Let us know what you pick.


I own two Garbi which I bought at the factory (more like a craftsman’s shop) back in 1984. Beautiful guns. I chose the engravings with the engraver putting on paper my ideas. Awesome experience.

My choice is a Perazzi MX20 SC2. All measurements, etc. according to my specs. I’m buying it from British Sporting Arms in upstate NY, a top notch shop. Charles, the owner, is a most gracious, honest, knowledgeable, trustworthy gentleman.


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 Post subject: Re: If you had $16,000...
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:40 am 
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Fly to Italy and purchase a Mx8 20 ga made to your specs and custom stock.

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 Post subject: Re: If you had $16,000...
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Go to Guns Unlimited in Omaha and buy their Browning Sporting Clays exclusive editions in ,410, 28, 20, and 12ga @ $2500 each.
Good luck finding ammo to shoot all four gauges.


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 Post subject: Re: If you had $16,000...
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:27 am 
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Zoli Pernice or Blaser F3. I have both in matched pairs and both are wonderful. For that budget either get a matched pair or go up in wood/engraving or both.


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 Post subject: Re: If you had $16,000...
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:11 pm 
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wrfish wrote:
Go to Guns Unlimited in Omaha and buy their Browning Sporting Clays exclusive editions in ,410, 28, 20, and 12ga @ $2500 each.
Good luck finding ammo to shoot all four gauges.


Really heavy gun for mostly hunting.


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 Post subject: Re: If you had $16,000...
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Have you considered a Greener?

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 Post subject: Re: If you had $16,000...
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:31 pm 
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For mainly hunting I'd have an AYA 16 ga #2 round body, twin triggers, English grip, IC and Mod, 28" barrels for my "big" upland gun. For the small gun, the same specs in a 28 ga.


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 Post subject: Re: If you had $16,000...
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:50 pm 
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Flyingtargets! wrote:
First post here, longtime chukar hunter. I’ve had an MX8 20 for a long time. Love it!

What does that weigh?

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 Post subject: Re: If you had $16,000...
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:30 pm 
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If I had $16,000 I wouldn't be buying a shotgun. But people have different values, and to a lot of people $16,000 is like $16 is to me. So, buy what makes you happy.


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 Post subject: Re: If you had $16,000...
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:46 pm 
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oneounceload wrote:
Flyingtargets! wrote:
First post here, longtime chukar hunter. I’ve had an MX8 20 for a long time. Love it!

What does that weigh?


7 on the nose, but mine has a straight grip, thinner stick and forend profile, 29” fixed.


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 Post subject: Re: If you had $16,000...
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:57 pm 
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I'd have a hard time spending $16k on an O/U for hunting but have considered that many times for a SxS. The Merkel 280/360 SL SxS is a fantastic gun. Light and reliable. But you stated O/U and for that I'd say a 28 gauge Perazzi or Krieghoff K20. Call Paxton and talk with him.

I have a Zoli 20 gauge O/U 29 1/2" that serves my purpose but it was less than $5k and I'd put it up against any K or P gun in terms of performance. Probably only a Browning Citori would outlast it.


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 Post subject: Re: If you had $16,000...
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As far as money, I was in a similar situation recently. I wanted a super accurate rifle and money was no option because I just sold a house. I figured that I would spend about $5,000 to get what I wanted but I ended up spending less than half that. Not because I cared about saving money but because the less expensive rifle fitted my needs perfectly. If money is not an option then don't worry about how much you can spend. Buy what suits you best even if you can afford to pay a lot more. BTW, even if I had spent twice as much it would not mean I would have bought a rifle that was twice as good. Sure it might have been slightly better but I am not a good enough shooter to ever know the difference.

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 Post subject: Re: If you had $16,000...
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 9:22 pm 
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Superposed! Then the remaining balance in gold bullion..


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 Post subject: Re: If you had $16,000...
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 10:07 pm 
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Back in 2016 I had about $20K available for a gun and looked seriously at older Holland & Hollands and Purdeys. Yes, I prefer SxS's.

Instead I decided that I was happy with my 12 and 20 gauge Beretta 687s, 12 and 20 gauge AyA No 2s and a couple of other SxSs. I used the money for 5 days of driven shooting in the UK including airfare and all expenses for a week in London with my wife before the shoot. The experience was worth far more to me than any gun. I also had enough money left over to pay for a trip to shoot pigeons in Bolivia, which was scheduled for last year but postponed until this year due to COVID. We're hopeful that we will get to Bolivia this year.




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