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 Post subject: Can you buy a better Trap score?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:11 am 
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I am observing a major trap shoot and marvel at all the varieties of trap guns. Stocks that are out of this world and high ribs that are just plain impressive. It reminds me of golf, average golfers trying to shave a few strokes off their game by buying the latest driver and spending a fortune on a new set of irons.
And them some guy using a Model 12 pump handing in there.
Can you buy a better score?




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 Post subject: Re: Can you buy a better Trap score?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:35 am 
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In a word, yes.

I own a $200 pen that helps gives me confidence, to be a better lawyer.

So does a genuine Elgin 21 jewel #571 railroad watch in my suit pants watch pocket.

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 Post subject: Re: Can you buy a better Trap score?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:43 am 
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Maybe you can; I can't.
It's all in your head.
Once you get to a minimum reliable functioning level equipment wise, everything else is just massaging the ego.
I have just as good a grasp on the time with my Timex as the dudes with a Rolex. (I have an Elgin in my Dad's old jewelry box.)
At least SuperXOne and I have a handle on what works for us.

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 Post subject: Re: Can you buy a better Trap score?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:43 am 
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Sure you can.
Hire a gun fitter, and a shooting coach.
You can't buy a better score by buying just another gun off the shelf, and doing the same thing on the Trap field.


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 Post subject: Re: Can you buy a better Trap score?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:44 am 
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With a shooting coach probably, if your gun fits you, and is reliable, buying the latest and greatest 25k gun and super wonder shells with magnificently hard shot a computer designed wad, special powder, and a CNC applied crimp probably not. But if you have the disposable income to do it, why not, we are only here once :!: :D :D :D


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 Post subject: Re: Can you buy a better Trap score?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:18 am 
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Yes, but not in the way I think you’re thinking. The gun isn’t going to do it…the practice is. I would bet everything I own that you could get an HR single shot shotgun and with enough practice and the gun stayed together, one could be a world champion…you would be crazy to think otherwise. How many of you have shot or shot with other people that had a “cheap” gun, but did better than what you expected BECAUSE of the gun they had…granted some talent was/is there, but the fact remains it wasn’t the gun.

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 Post subject: Re: Can you buy a better Trap score?
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There is certainly nothing wrong with trying.


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 Post subject: Re: Can you buy a better Trap score?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:16 am 
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I was a golf caddy at a private club for about 10 years in my teens and 20s. We had guys who would spend thousands of dollars on new clubs in the proshop every time Ping came out with a new design, and they'd show up every couple weeks with some new gizmo, then go out and shoot an 82 or an 85. And they'd be really irked about it.

Aside from the tour events, which were somewhere between carnivals and freak shows, the best golfers invariably showed up with a beat up set of Wilson Staff clubs, usually in a soft travel bag, and they generally carried their own clubs. But they played golf all the time. They also didn't get worked up when they (rarely) missed a shot or a putt.

Much like golf, most of clay shooting is between your ears.


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 Post subject: Re: Can you buy a better Trap score?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:55 am 
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Win50 wrote:
I was a golf caddy at a private club for about 10 years in my teens and 20s. We had guys who would spend thousands of dollars on new clubs in the proshop every time Ping came out with a new design, and they'd show up every couple weeks with some new gizmo, then go out and shoot an 82 or an 85. And they'd be really irked about it.

Aside from the tour events, which were somewhere between carnivals and freak shows, the best golfers invariably showed up with a beat up set of Wilson Staff clubs, usually in a soft travel bag, and they generally carried their own clubs. But they played golf all the time. They also didn't get worked up when they (rarely) missed a shot or a putt.

Much like golf, most of clay shooting is between your ears.


I’d put shooting trap at 100% being the six inches between your ears.

That six inches needs one excellent trap gun, such as a BT99.

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 Post subject: Re: Can you buy a better Trap score?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:13 am 
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If your equipment already fits you, no.

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 Post subject: Re: Can you buy a better Trap score?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:41 am 
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Interesting question.

If you mean this question to apply only to equipment and not to time or training then, maybe.

While Reiger used a Model 37 to great effect, he was above average and, he soon stepped beyond that gun.
The equipment, scattergun in this basic case, must be able to carry you through the learning process without the negatives of recoil or breakdowns or whatever holding you back.
Sort of a form of the advice.."use enough gun".

So, the maybe....relates to having enough gun in hand to allow you to learn and progress.
What anyone uses is an unknown....so again, the maybe.

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 Post subject: Re: Can you buy a better Trap score?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:32 pm 
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wrfish wrote:
I am observing a major trap shoot and marvel at all the varieties of trap guns. Stocks that are out of this world and high ribs that are just plain impressive. It reminds me of golf, average golfers trying to shave a few strokes off their game by buying the latest driver and spending a fortune on a new set of irons.
And them some guy using a Model 12 pump handing in there.
Can you buy a better score?

Of course you can.

It just requires the right grease, and the right amount of it, applied to the right places...... :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Can you buy a better Trap score?
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 Post subject: Re: Can you buy a better Trap score?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:47 pm 
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You most certainly can purchase better scores.

Several pallets of shells, and a lot of diligent time at the practice traps!


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 Post subject: Re: Can you buy a better Trap score?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:36 pm 
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This question comes up all the time.

1st--are you a commie? Who has to dictate to people what they shoot , or drive or wear?

I have a friend who has over a million dollars worth of shotguns , most of which he has never shot. He drives a car you'd be embarrassed to be seen in.

2d --good equipment helps you maximize results (tho maybe not you). :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Can you buy a better Trap score?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:27 pm 
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I frequently shoot better trap scores with my Model 12 than shooters with fancy trap guns. But they sometimes shoot better scores than I do. Depends on the day. I wouldn’t shoot trap if I couldn’t shoot my old Model 12s or my Model 21.


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 Post subject: Re: Can you buy a better Trap score?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:30 am 
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OldStufferA5#1911 wrote:
wrfish wrote:
I am observing a major trap shoot and marvel at all the varieties of trap guns. Stocks that are out of this world and high ribs that are just plain impressive. It reminds me of golf, average golfers trying to shave a few strokes off their game by buying the latest driver and spending a fortune on a new set of irons.
And them some guy using a Model 12 pump handing in there.
Can you buy a better score?

Of course you can.

It just requires the right grease, and the right amount of it, applied to the right places...... :mrgreen:


No, that doesn't work. My wife is working as a score keeper and did not get one single bribe. I told her to put out a tip jar, no takers


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 Post subject: Re: Can you buy a better Trap score?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:02 am 
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All things being equal, yes, equipment choice can have an impact on success. This is true in any sport.
Don't discount the placebo effect either.


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 Post subject: Re: Can you buy a better Trap score?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:41 am 
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wrfish wrote:
OldStufferA5#1911 wrote:
wrfish wrote:
I am observing a major trap shoot and marvel at all the varieties of trap guns. Stocks that are out of this world and high ribs that are just plain impressive. It reminds me of golf, average golfers trying to shave a few strokes off their game by buying the latest driver and spending a fortune on a new set of irons.
And them some guy using a Model 12 pump handing in there.
Can you buy a better score?

Of course you can.

It just requires the right grease, and the right amount of it, applied to the right places...... :mrgreen:


No, that doesn't work. My wife is working as a score keeper and did not get one single bribe. I told her to put out a tip jar, no takers


Should I tip before or after the round ?


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 Post subject: Re: Can you buy a better Trap score?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:00 am 
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McFarmer wrote:
Should I tip before or after the round ?

Both :lol:



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