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 Post subject: 20ga for dove. 7/8 or 1oz?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:02 am 
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My shoulder has been giving me a lot of trouble lately and I’m looking at going to a 20ga for dove from here on out. It looks like most 7/8 oz loads average 1250fps give or take a little, which is what I’m used to with a 1 1/8oz 12ga load. It looks like the 1oz loads average 1100fps give or take a little. This seems like this would be a noticeable difference to me. Which is your preference to shoot dove and why? Also how much does the 7 1/2. Vs 8 shot come into play with the different ounce loads




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 Post subject: Re: 20ga for dove. 7/8 or 1oz?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:19 am 
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28ga or 3/4oz load in 20ga. I’ve shot plenty of punchy 7/8pz 20ga guns. They tend to be very light.


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 Post subject: Re: 20ga for dove. 7/8 or 1oz?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:15 am 
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I've had better luck in 20 gauge with 1 oz of 7.5 shot.
I have an older 391 that I made some good shots with.

It's so comfortable to shoot with as well.

I am in the SE US and usually shoot on the bigger fields with medium to slightly longer shots.

Maybe this helps...

I'm no expert, just been doing it a long time :)

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 Post subject: Re: 20ga for dove. 7/8 or 1oz?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:15 am 
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Unless you are shooting 1 oz 20 ga loads in a gas operated auto, they kick the same as a 12 ga load.


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 Post subject: Re: 20ga for dove. 7/8 or 1oz?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:18 am 
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You don't need a 1 ounce load to kill a dove. If you can find 3/4 ounce loads your body , and bag count will thank you many times over....


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 Post subject: Re: 20ga for dove. 7/8 or 1oz?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:43 am 
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rrowe563 wrote:

My shoulder has been giving me a lot of trouble lately and I’m looking at going to a 20ga for dove from here on out.

It looks like most 7/8 oz loads average 1250fps give or take a little, which is what I’m used to with a 1 1/8oz 12ga load.

It looks like the 1oz loads average 1100fps give or take a little.

This seems like this would be a noticeable difference to me.



" For every action, there is an equal & opposite reaction."


One ounce is heavier than 7/8 ounce, so (given the same +/- powder load) a heavier 1oz load has both a slightly slower speed and slightly more recoil than a 7/8oz load.

I use 7/8oz loads in my 20ga bird gun - and I don't even have a bad shoulder (but am 78 y.o.)

I would suggest trying both 20ga loads and use what's best for you - or go to a 28ga, which is just as effective.

That's my opinion, worth every cent you paid for it. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: 20ga for dove. 7/8 or 1oz?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:11 am 
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Bailey Boat wrote:
You don't need a 1 ounce load to kill a dove. If you can find 3/4 ounce loads your body , and bag count will thank you many times over....

My sentiments exactly.


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 Post subject: Re: 20ga for dove. 7/8 or 1oz?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:20 am 
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For me, 7/8 of 7.5 and a modified choke. And target load velocities. Not those "Texas Dove Load" range stuff. I shoot mod and mod or mod and full in a O/U.


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 Post subject: Re: 20ga for dove. 7/8 or 1oz?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:23 am 
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My preferred dove load in 20 gauge is 7/8 oz of #8’s at 1200 fps.

This load hits with authority but with low recoil.

I use this load year round on skeet and SC, so when dove season arrives, I am tuned up and ready to trade clays for feathers.

No real need for the 1 oz load because doves are not hard to kill.


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 Post subject: Re: 20ga for dove. 7/8 or 1oz?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 8:38 am 
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Ever thought about trying some 3/4oz loads in a 12ga? They recoil about the same as a 20 IMO. Even 7/8oz 12ga would be easier on your shoulder than the heavy 1 1/8oz and will cycle most semis if that's what you shoot. You might have to resort to reloading to get 3/4oz 12ga but I've worked up loads that will cycle my M2 and they are nice shooting.

I used to have a 20ga M1 and with target loads(I believe they were 7/8oz)it was pretty soft shooting. I also had a 28ga M12 and it was really soft shooting and patterned good with 3/4oz loads.

ETA. I gave up on the 20ga when I discovered my 12 would cycle 3/4oz loads.


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 Post subject: Re: 20ga for dove. 7/8 or 1oz?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:01 am 
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Vette Jockey2 wrote:
Bailey Boat wrote:
You don't need a 1 ounce load to kill a dove. If you can find 3/4 ounce loads your body , and bag count will thank you many times over....

My sentiments exactly.


It would depend upon shooting conditions.


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 Post subject: Re: 20ga for dove. 7/8 or 1oz?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:19 am 
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Good Morning rrowe563,

I've killed a lot of doves with a 20 gauge.

We used to hunt Imperial County, CA. I'd either hide in tall bushes and nail 'em as they flew overhead. For low pass shooting, my guess is even promotional loads (I've never liked them) would work. The problem was finding birds after them dive bombed into thick stuff. Crawling on my hands and knees in thick sidewinder cover ain't fun

I like hunting perimeters of cotton fields much better. Birds were easier to find. I'd have visual marks out to about 40 yards. Birds within those 40 yard markers were within my distance of SureShot-type loads which were an ounce of 7 1/2 shot. It worked on distant shots. The benefit of cotton field hunting was ease of finding downed birds.

I keep referring to the old Rem SureShot ammo because I can't remember its loading. Fed and Win were just as good. The price was about the same. They worked better than promotional loads.

One hunter in our group used a 12 gauge semi with 1 1/4 ounce "High Base" loads. He had no problem dropping doves that were well beyond my 20 gauge's range.

My advice is to know hunting conditions. If you'll be blind hunting or concealed in thick cover with doves flying right above your head, my guess is anything will work. If you're going to hunt edges of agricultural fields, I'd recommend an ounce of 7 1/2.


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 Post subject: Re: 20ga for dove. 7/8 or 1oz?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 9:41 am 
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CriscoKid wrote:


" For every action, there is an equal & opposite reaction."


One ounce is heavier than 7/8 ounce, so (given the same +/- powder load) a heavier 1oz load has both a slightly slower speed and slightly more recoil than a 7/8oz load.

I use 7/8oz loads in my 20ga bird gun - and I don't even have a bad shoulder (but am 78 y.o.)

I would suggest trying both 20ga loads and use what's best for you - or go to a 28ga, which is just as effective.

That's my opinion, worth every cent you paid for it. ;)

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There are calculators around on the interwebs, but you can get a fair idea of how much a load will kick by multiplying the velocity by the payload. A 1oz @ 1200fps rings in at 1200 (ounce-ft/sec, but the units aren't real useful). So dropping to 7/8 @1200 fps drops that to 1050, basically the same as shooting a 1oz @1050 fps.

That assumes the same gun, or at least the same gun weight and action type. A heavier gun will result in less felt recoil, and a fixed breech will result in more than a semi.

Where people frequently get in trouble is going to a 20g for less recoil, but it ends up being the same or maybe more because the gun is 20% lighter.

Best plan is to find a lighter load in a heavier gun, rather than a lighter load in a lighter gun.


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 Post subject: Re: 20ga for dove. 7/8 or 1oz?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:25 am 
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20 gauge = 7/8 once.


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 Post subject: Re: 20ga for dove. 7/8 or 1oz?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:36 am 
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put me in the 7/8oz. of 7-1/2's at about 1200 fps. is a good dove load too.
[I shoot 1 oz. at just below that speed in my 12]

but I also agree that a slightly heavier gun and a lighter payload will make a lot more difference than just trying a 20ga. for less recoil.

also getting some help with gun fitment will go a long way in mitigating 'felt' recoil.


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 Post subject: Re: 20ga for dove. 7/8 or 1oz?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:49 am 
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Call me crazy, but Federal’s new 20 gauge 3/4oz steel shot at 1500fps kills dove better than almost any lead load out there...

Kent also came out with a 20 gauge 7/8oz steel shot load that that I used with #6 sized shot that worked out great for me on the bigger Collard Eurasian Dove. I wrote a bit about it here:

https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewto ... 7&t=530794


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 Post subject: Re: 20ga for dove. 7/8 or 1oz?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:11 pm 
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Here's some info I put together and have posted before on 20-gauge dove loads.

Doves are pretty fragile birds, so it doesn't take much to bring one down, IF you can put the pattern on their front end. For shots inside of 40 yards, No. 8 lead and No. 7 steel work just fine. When your shots start getting out around 40 yards and beyond, the larger No. 7 1/2 lead and No. 6 steel pellet loads with tighter chokes will probably serve you better. Of course, your load and choke selection depends on the type of dove hunting/shooting (water hole, feed field, pass shooting, roost shooting, etc.) you are doing and the normal distance of your shots.

Here are a few of my 20-gauge pattern numbers from both lead and steel dove loads to give you an idea of the kind of performance you might get from some commonly used choke constrictions.

Pattern results from a 20-gauge Browning Citori with 28" Invector-plus barrels using Briley flush chokes (patterns average of five, 30" post-shot scribed circle, yardage taped muzzle to target, and in-shell pellet count average of five).

20 GA 2 3/4" WINCHESTER AA TARGET LOAD
7/8 oz #8 lead (356 pellets) @ 1200 fps
30 YARDS – SK / pattern 230 (65%)
30 YARDS – IC / pattern 257 (72%)
30 YARDS – M / pattern 318 (89%)
40 YARDS – IM / pattern 225 (63%)
40 YARDS – F / pattern 240 (67%)

20 GA 2 3/4" REMINGTON SHURSHOT HEAVY DOVE LOAD
1 oz #7 ½ lead (349 pellets) @ 1165 fps
30 YARDS – SK / pattern 221 (63%)
30 YARDS – IC / pattern 249 (71%)
30 YARDS – M / pattern 298 (85%)
40 YARDS – IM / pattern 221 (63%)
40 YARDS – F / pattern 243 (70%)

For dove hunters that need or want to shoot steel loads, here are a few of my steel load pattern numbers to give you an idea of how they perform.

20 GA 2 3/4" WINCHESTER XPERT STEEL LOAD
3/4 oz #7 steel (327 pellets) @ 1325 fps
30 YARDS – SK / pattern 221 (68%)
30 YARDS – IC / pattern 242 (74%)
30 YARDS – M / pattern 272 (83%)
40 YARDS – IM / pattern 197 (60%)
40 YARDS – F / pattern 213 (65%)

20 GA 2 3/4" WINCHESTER XPERT STEEL LOAD
3/4 oz #6 steel (231 pellets) @ 1325 fps
30 YARDS – SK / pattern 173 (75%)
30 YARDS – IC / pattern 181 (78%)
30 YARDS – M / pattern 204 (88%)
40 YARDS – IM / pattern 155 (67%)
40 YARDS – F / pattern 165 (71%)

Good luck!


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 Post subject: Re: 20ga for dove. 7/8 or 1oz?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:24 pm 
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My preference is whatever is on sale. I have shot lots of 20 ga in 1 oz and 7/8 oz, #7.5 and #8. When I find a good deal I buy a bunch. I do not notice a difference on doves or clays. I do not notice a difference in recoil either.

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 Post subject: Re: 20ga for dove. 7/8 or 1oz?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:55 pm 
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The 1 oz 1100 fps load will produce 11.7% LESS recoil than the 7/8 oz 1250 fps load out of the same gun. This is because kinetic energy depends on mass x velocity squared, so the difference in velocity here more than makes up for the difference in mass.


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 Post subject: Re: 20ga for dove. 7/8 or 1oz?
PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:13 pm 
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When I hunt doves with a 20 ga, I use one ounce loads. But I prefer using a 28 ga with 3/4 ounces of #8.




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