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 Post subject: Straight vs Monte Carlo stocks
PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:35 am 
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Gil,

Which stock type is preferable for sporting clays, straight or Monte Carlo?

I see the Krieghoff K80 sporting has a Monte Carlo stock but the Parcours model has a straight stock. This has always been a confusing topic for me.

Any words or wisdom would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Chris




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 Post subject: Re: Straight vs Monte Carlo stocks
PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:55 am 
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It’s all a matter of personal preference and how the gun fits you and how you want it to pattern. It’s not a one size fits all.

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 Post subject: Re: Straight vs Monte Carlo stocks
PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:07 am 
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General Rule

When looking at a person straight on nose to nose look at the shoulder line…. It will be horizontal or more square or the shoulders will have a gentle slope downward. The downward slope of the shoulders typically creates need for Monte Carlo as the shoulder pocket will be lower than the cheek bone when in a good shooting posture.


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 Post subject: Re: Straight vs Monte Carlo stocks
PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:23 pm 
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I’ve never heard it explained like that before, but it makes sense.
I recently moved to a Monte Carlo stock and I’m shooting better with it .
After reading your explanation and looking in the mirror I now understand why the Monte Carlo is working for me .

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 Post subject: Re: Straight vs Monte Carlo stocks
PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:19 pm 
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Nicely explained Gil. You can always be counted on for an intelligent answer, thank you.


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 Post subject: Re: Straight vs Monte Carlo stocks
PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:51 pm 
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Gil . . I suppose the same would apply for a shooter with a somewhat longer neck than head on shoulders build?


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 Post subject: Re: Straight vs Monte Carlo stocks
PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:59 am 
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Yes on the longer neck

There are so many variables in stock fit it is hard to give absolute answers.

Change on dimension and 6-8 others change.

The one thing I can say in our research over the 30 years we have been professional coaches 95% of the manufacturers are stocking guns that do not fit the American facial shape. They are all to high and/or wide for 90% of shooters.

Anything with a parallel comb eliminates the ability to use ear muffs and will not mount naturally to targets elevated over your head or under your feet!


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 Post subject: Re: Straight vs Monte Carlo stocks
PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:11 pm 
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Gil Ash wrote:

Anything with a parallel comb eliminates the ability to use ear muffs and will not mount naturally to targets elevated over your head or under your feet!


I’ve read on numerous occasions about the high and low targets being a problem, but I’m struggling to understand why this is the case .
Could you explain that aspect please .

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 Post subject: Re: Straight vs Monte Carlo stocks
PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:39 am 
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The best way to understand is to mount a parallel comb level with the ground looking at a distance object mounting to the right of the object like a right to left crosser and note where your eye is relative to the rib.

Now mount to the right of an object high over head as if you were shooting a target off a 120’ tower and note how your eye is not in the same place relative to the rib.

Now toss a shell on the ground 3-4 feet in front of you and mount to the right of it as if you were shooting a target well below your feet and again note the placement of your shooting eye

Parallel combs are made to shoot targets in a horizontal picture frame centered ove a trap house…. Get out of that picture frame and eventually you will have problems.

Interested in your results pls get back to us!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Straight vs Monte Carlo stocks
PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 6:39 am 
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Blaser

The best way to understand is to mount a parallel comb level with the ground looking at a distance object mounting to the right of the object like a right to left crosser and note where your eye is relative to the rib.

Now mount to the right of an object high over head as if you were shooting a target off a 120’ tower and note how your eye is not in the same place relative to the rib.

Now toss a shell on the ground 3-4 feet in front of you and mount to the right of it as if you were shooting a target well below your feet and again note the placement of your shooting eye

Parallel combs are made to shoot targets in a horizontal picture frame centered ove a trap house…. Get out of that picture frame and eventually you will have problems.

Interested in your results pls get back to us!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Straight vs Monte Carlo stocks
PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:12 am 
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Ooops

Like a left to right crosser




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