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 Post subject: Skeet/Mod
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:58 pm 
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Gil, I've taken your SK/Mod choke recommendation to heart. My question though, is that your same thoughts when going to sub gauge, I.E. 20 or 28ga?




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 Post subject: Re: Skeet/Mod
PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:06 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Skeet/Mod
PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:06 am 
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Something all peak performers learn is the elimination of all variables in performance is one of the most lethal things that can be done because it allows for self correction being spot on!

What jack said


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 Post subject: Re: Skeet/Mod
PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:35 am 
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While I disagree with Gil on a few things; This is spot on. I actually use Cyl/Mod, but same concept.


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 Post subject: Re: Skeet/Mod
PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2019 10:10 am 
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JT what do we disagree on?


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 Post subject: Re: Skeet/Mod
PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:21 am 
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Gil Ash wrote:
JT what do we disagree on?


Not politics that’s for sure... We’re eye to eye. lol

I swing from the back edge of some targets instead of staying in front like you advocate. We also had an interesting discussion on diminishing lead. I say diminishing lead is shooting the bird with barrel moving slower than the bird at the shot. You say it’s matching the speed at the shot; Which in my view would be sustained lead.

Lastly, you'll never convince me that occluding half the target to center a 50/50 pattern is a better than seeing the target 100% to center with a 55/45 or 60/40 pattern.

No biggie... I still like you. Lol

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 Post subject: Re: Skeet/Mod
PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 8:39 am 
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JT have you ever shot a gun that is truly 50/50?

Which targets would you have to cover up?

Asking for a friend!


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 Post subject: Re: Skeet/Mod
PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:35 am 
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JT

Do you feel like your gun must be mounted perfectly to perform at your best??

In 100 targets how often do you have a miss mount?

Curious


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 Post subject: Re: Skeet/Mod
PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:08 pm 
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Gil Ash wrote:
JT have you ever shot a gun that is truly 50/50?

Which targets would you have to cover up?

Asking for a friend!


Yes I have shot a 50/50 gun... Is someone going to completely miss if they keep the bird on top of the barrel, so as to not occlude any of the target with a 50/50 gun? No. But I'd rather SMOKE the target and still keep the bird 100% in sight over the barrel.

Which of the top 10 Sporting Clays shooters in the world today shoot a 50/50 pattern? Asking for a friend... LOL

Gil Ash wrote:
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Do you feel like your gun must be mounted perfectly to perform at your best??

In 100 targets how often do you have a miss mount?

Curious


I can't remember the last time I missed a mount... If I miss, I either checked the barrel, or tried to force the lead.

Which is also why I never check my mount... Why train yourself to barrel check?

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 Post subject: Re: Skeet/Mod
PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:13 pm 
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Interesting. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Skeet/Mod
PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:23 am 
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So JT which targets do you cover up? What is the trajectory that is most difficult with a 50/50?


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 Post subject: Re: Skeet/Mod
PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:27 am 
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Gil Ash wrote:
So JT which targets do you cover up? What is the trajectory that is most difficult with a 50/50?


With a 50/50 pattern, any target rising from the right would have to be occluded to center the pattern. I don't want half my pattern where I can't see (Below the barrel). Why is that so difficult to understand? Most top shooters are shooting 60/40 because it centers the pattern and lets the shooter keep the bird 100% in view for most every shot.

I know you'll never agree, but I'm going to do what top shooters are doing today, not what they did in the 80s and 90s. Keep telling people to shoot 50/50... Just better for those of us who shoot 60/40. :-)


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 Post subject: Re: Skeet/Mod
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:22 am 
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Your right I had rather be on line than somewhere under on a curling dropping targets at distance!

Each has targets that present a challenge and some that have benefits.

We have seen a lot of targets especially distant targets missed over!


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 Post subject: Re: Skeet/Mod
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:10 pm 
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Gil Ash wrote:
Your right I had rather be on line than somewhere under on a curling dropping targets at distance!

Each has targets that present a challenge and some that have benefits.

We have seen a lot of targets especially distant targets missed over!


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 Post subject: Re: Skeet/Mod
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 Post subject: Re: Skeet/Mod
PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:58 pm 
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J.T. Guitar wrote:
Gil Ash wrote:
JT have you ever shot a gun that is truly 50/50?

Which targets would you have to cover up?

Asking for a friend!


Yes I have shot a 50/50 gun... Is someone going to completely miss if they keep the bird on top of the barrel, so as to not occlude any of the target with a 50/50 gun? No. But I'd rather SMOKE the target and still keep the bird 100% in sight over the barrel.

Which of the top 10 Sporting Clays shooters in the world today shoot a 50/50 pattern? Asking for a friend... LOL

Gil Ash wrote:
JT

Do you feel like your gun must be mounted perfectly to perform at your best??

In 100 targets how often do you have a miss mount?

Curious


I can't remember the last time I missed a mount... If I miss, I either checked the barrel, or tried to force the lead.

Which is also why I never check my mount... Why train yourself to barrel check?

:D


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 Post subject: Re: Skeet/Mod
PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:47 pm 
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It's hard to believe that people are arguing about occluding half the target if they shoot a gun with a 50/50 POI. A clay target is barely 1" tall, and if a person is going to claim that they can place a pattern within 1/2" accuracy on a moving target at 30 to 40 yards, then I'd have to see it to believe it. Even if you used a benchrest at a stationary target, you won't get accuracy to within 1/2"

Besides, how often do we really shoot STRAIGHT AT a sporting clays target? It may happen occasionally, but I'd say that 98% of the time, we are shooting somewhere over, under, left, or right of the target which makes the argument about occluding the target moot. Having the gun pointed correctly on the target trajectory with the proper lead (both horizontal and vertical) is not moot. In fact, that's what the game is all about.

In my shooting experience plus what I've observed by closely watching other shooters shoot, there are way more targets missed over top than below. So when we have a curling dropping target (or any other target presentation for that matter), why complicate the process of figuring out where to point the muzzle? If my experience tells me that the target needs two feet of horizontal lead and one foot below the target to center-punch the target, why should I complicate that by throwing in another calculation that would be needed to compensate for the pattern size and distance to the target for a gun that does NOT shoot to POA?

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 Post subject: Re: Skeet/Mod
PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:02 am 
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If the target is moving and if the muzzle is on the target then you are behind

The target is ALWAYS IN THE PERIPHERY and if you are looking at the target the. You can’t be looking down the barrel. You would be looking behind where the barrel is pointed.

I have seen 7,000,000 targets shot in a coaching situation over the last 28 years and as the distance increases beyond 28-30 yards conservatively speaking 60-70% of the misses are OVER!

Shooters who shoot 60/40 don’t realize as the distance increases the % of shot above the point of aim INCREASES!!!!

It’s only 60/40 if the mount is perfect and the cheek pressure is the same on the target as it is on the pattern board. How much cheek pressure is a huge variable. Shooters when dry mounting the gun are looking down the barrel and cheek pressure is increased so the beads line up BUT RARELY IS THE CHEEK PRESSURE THE SAME WHEN ACTUALLY SHOOTING TARGETS.

Conclusion..... you can shoot a gun with too much drop and cast infinitely better than one with not enough of either and 50-50 is 50/50 at any distance!


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 Post subject: Re: Skeet/Mod
PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:44 am 
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Gil Ash wrote:
I have seen 7,000,000 targets shot in a coaching situation over the last 28 years and as the distance increases beyond 28-30 yards conservatively speaking 60-70% of the misses are OVER!
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Conclusion..... you can shoot a gun with too much drop and cast infinitely better than one with not enough of either and 50-50 is 50/50 at any distance!


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