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 Post subject: Something wrong with this fine German Boxlock?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:21 am 
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Looks like wrong forend?
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 Post subject: Re: Something wrong with this fine German Boxlock?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:33 pm 
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Just considering this one pic, I would first ask is the forend firmly attached? Next, it might appear that an odd forend and odd tubeset were cobbled together & married?

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 Post subject: Re: Something wrong with this fine German Boxlock?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:43 pm 
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Lots of different names on this one, I have asked for more pics but no pics, seller seems to know something is not quite right. This looked to be a nice ejector gun with a lot of things going for it but it seems to be non-original. Don’t think I have ever seen that gap before.
It has 2 different dates on flats.
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Wise man told me nitro not in italics was suhl and suhl didn’t put these dates on flats?
What’s going on here?
I had asked for pics of forend but never sent.


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 Post subject: Re: Something wrong with this fine German Boxlock?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:09 pm 
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The weiser Mann should have told you post September 1923 there would be a datecode for Suhl? Tubes and subsequent tubeset was made @ Sauer in 1923 then the Cape was completed in 1925. Then in 1928 the shotty chambers were lengthened to 70mm. Either Sauer didn't complete the longarm or there was some effort outside of Sauer in the repair phase.

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 Post subject: Re: Something wrong with this fine German Boxlock?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:27 pm 
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Here are the pics I do have, it was the style of gun I appreciate with those fences, ejectors, rabbits and 16 gauge to boot. But cobbled together doesn’t work for my stable.
Shame, I thought I found a good prospect till I noticed that odd gap.
I will keep on shopping.


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 Post subject: Re: Something wrong with this fine German Boxlock?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:42 pm 
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Some of the best tube steel that could be used. I would check the water-table to see if there is a serial number. Would hate to pass up on a Greif / Sauer Kerner - Anson platform. I would investigate a bit further. From the few characters on the top rib I would hazard a guess it was retailed by firearms merchant O.G. Scherell Berlin Potsdamerstraße 104 & Delitzsch?


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 Post subject: Re: Something wrong with this fine German Boxlock?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:47 pm 
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Otto Scherell of Delitzsch/Sachsen was the inventor or developer of the poplar lubricant Ballistol, if memory serves me correctly.


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 Post subject: Re: Something wrong with this fine German Boxlock?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:50 pm 
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I just noticed that the tubeset is to be mated w/ a forend w/ ejectors. Is this the case?


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 Post subject: Re: Something wrong with this fine German Boxlock?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:00 pm 
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Maybe he will come up with forend pics that have matching serial numbers. But I have asked 3 times and got excuses. Everything looked really good except that odd gap. I’m not that detail oriented and it stuck out to me. Will post pics of forend if I receive, will bug the guy again tomorrow.
What is the story on Grief, have only seen a few?


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 Post subject: Re: Something wrong with this fine German Boxlock?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:06 pm 
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Greifelt & Compagnie was a quality company founded in 1885 in Suhl. Greifelt, Jung & Schelgelmilch were involved @ some point They are known for O/U designs.

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 Post subject: Re: Something wrong with this fine German Boxlock?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:58 pm 
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Yep home made
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 Post subject: Re: Something wrong with this fine German Boxlock?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:36 pm 
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So I assume the ejectors are inoperable? If the price reflects omitted forend, I might say it to be a bargain as it is quality otherwise, especially the tubes.


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 Post subject: Re: Something wrong with this fine German Boxlock?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:54 pm 
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I let the seller know about the quality and the forend. It would be a good knock about for somebody.
Seemed like a good fellow, and was interested in the truth. Hope he didn’t pay much it won’t bring much if he is truthful. Hey if they lost the forend there wasn’t to many good options and it still looks nice on the outside.


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 Post subject: Re: Something wrong with this fine German Boxlock?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:28 am 
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Of course there is always the small off chance that the original forend w/ Southgate(????) ejectors was lost, but typically a missing forend points to thuggery & sticky fingers. For the most part, traditional sporting arms collectors maintain their forends separate from the sporting arm.

But still there isn't an ejecktor well, so I do wonder what type kickers it has/had. Maybe on the Deeley box ejecktor utilized the well?


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