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 Post subject: Loads for 6.5x58r drilling pic heavy plus proof marks
PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:48 am 
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My grandfathers drilling pic heavy need good 6.5x58r load for deer 100 yd or less?
I have brass.
This was my first hunting gun when I was 7 yrs old, I had her restored when I could afford to have it done correctly I was in my late 20s now I’m approaching (door step) my 50s.
I believe it’s time somebody in the USA harvest a whitetail with it.
Will add all pics so Mr Raimey can see proof marks any info would be great.

My grandfather was in 3rd Army and from his stories about german soldiers in white overcoats coming over the hill wishing him a not so merry Christmas around December16 1944 in Belgium, I believe he was smack dab in the middle of the battle of the bulge.

Anyway he brought this amazing work of art home and caused his oldest grandson to pursue fine guns for all of his adult life( still going on).

I have the data from cartridges of the world looking for something better. I have some old 6.5 ballistic tip 120 grain I believe.




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 Post subject: Re: Loads for 6.5x58r drilling pic heavy plus proof marks
PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:59 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Loads for 6.5x58r drilling pic heavy plus proof marks
PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:01 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Loads for 6.5x58r drilling pic heavy plus proof marks
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 Post subject: Re: Loads for 6.5x58r drilling pic heavy plus proof marks
PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:06 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Loads for 6.5x58r drilling pic heavy plus proof marks
PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:16 pm 
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Compared to the rifling twist rate in a modern rifle like 1 in 10, this looks like 1 in 4”.
Did find 120 grain 6.5 ballistic tips but would like as much velocity as I can get. Maybe drop down to 90 grain bullet any loads out there?


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 Post subject: Re: Loads for 6.5x58r drilling pic heavy plus proof marks
PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:47 pm 
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I have a Gun Digest from the 60s with an article by Pierre Pulling in which he discusses his drillings, one of which is an oddball 6.5x6x. with long neck. I'll look for it and post something in a few days.


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 Post subject: Re: Loads for 6.5x58r drilling pic heavy plus proof marks
PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:25 pm 
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Would be greatly appreciated. Thanks


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 Post subject: Re: Loads for 6.5x58r drilling pic heavy plus proof marks
PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:33 pm 
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Found some 127 gr barnes lrx bullets that specifically have 1 in 8” or less required on the box. Well I definitely got that covered. These bullets have the grooves cut around circumference and in my experience with the 270 version pressures are actually less with these groves than your average bt jacketed lead bullet. These should make 1 load to try. But any published load with modern American powder would be great.


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 Post subject: Re: Loads for 6.5x58r drilling pic heavy plus proof marks
PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:01 pm 
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O.K., new puppy so things are either disarrayed or hidden away.

1962 Gun Digest: All Around Gun by Pierre Pulling. He writes about his drillings, one of which is a Marholdt with an oddball chamber. 6.5 X 61 which has what he refers to as a 'long neck'.
Doesn't give any load data except to say 6.5X57 data worked well. And he liked 160 gr. bullets in it. He formed cases from 8x57 R Norma brass and said they were good.


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 Post subject: Re: Loads for 6.5x58r drilling pic heavy plus proof marks
PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:05 pm 
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That is a seriously cool looking old gun! I hope you get it shooting properly.


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 Post subject: Re: Loads for 6.5x58r drilling pic heavy plus proof marks
PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:36 pm 
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I believe my Grandfather was there too. We'll have compare regiments.

It dates from 1915/16 from Zella Mehlis using components / tubes from a Liege Society.

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 Post subject: Re: Loads for 6.5x58r drilling pic heavy plus proof marks
PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:40 pm 
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I have load data but for the moment I am a long way from my notes.


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 Post subject: Re: Loads for 6.5x58r drilling pic heavy plus proof marks
PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:33 pm 
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Thanks gentlemen any load info would be great. I have reloaded many modern calibers for my bolt action rifles but it is hard to understand the 1 in 5 ( estimated ) twist rate in this drilling. I think I read a post from Raimey about the stmg mark being steel metal jacket bullet. I always figured if it could handle those, it would do just fine with copper or alloy jacketed bullets? It did shoot well with lead cast bullets but really don’t want to shoot a whitetail with those.


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 Post subject: Re: Loads for 6.5x58r drilling pic heavy plus proof marks
PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:28 pm 
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I do understand the puppy thing. I figured if my timing was correct I could be training a new bird dog ( wife wanted something more fluffy than my gsp) just after the deer season was over. This Brittany is a hand full at 4 months, hence the ecollar in the house.
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 Post subject: Re: Loads for 6.5x58r drilling pic heavy plus proof marks
PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:31 pm 
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Wow, your floor is visible. Been thinking about putting a collar on the Prince of Destruction. Failed to grasp the concept of 'puppy proof'.

Hornady Handbook has 6.5x57 loads with the warning to reduce maximums by 10-15% for combination guns, as their loads were developed in a Mauser 66.


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 Post subject: Re: Loads for 6.5x58r drilling pic heavy plus proof marks
PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:47 pm 
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Thanks.
If anybody needs data for this caliber 6.5x58r, data for 25-35 may be used backed down some. Books say map for 25-35 around 44000 psi, this sauer cartridge map around 40000psi. If Barlow’s formula applies my gun is safe doesn’t mean they all are?
Also Mr Barnes “cartridges of the world”had good 127 grain bullet load with imr3031. Most of this info is from the web so I’m not saying it’s safe. No pressure signs on my loads. Use at your own risk.

Will post some deer/gun pics after this weekend Lord willing. I’m not very picky.


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 Post subject: Re: Loads for 6.5x58r drilling pic heavy plus proof marks
PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:42 am 
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Data is scarce on the 6.5X58R as well as its sister cartridge the 6.5X48R. But I have seen data for the 6.5X48R being a 127 grain jacketed bullet ahead of 23 grains R5(Rottweil 5) smokeless for a mv of 2156 fps. VV N140 has similar burn characteristics to R5 and can be interchanged. This looks to be more powerful than the 6.5X58R???

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Raimey
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 Post subject: Re: Loads for 6.5x58r drilling pic heavy plus proof marks
PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:13 pm 
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First deer for drilling since 1940s possibly longer.


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 Post subject: Re: Loads for 6.5x58r drilling pic heavy plus proof marks
PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:40 pm 
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The drilling is absolutely beautiful, and hunting with a classic adds to the harvest.

Gene



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