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 Post subject: New DVD available!!
PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:47 am 
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Location: Cheyenne Wyoming
I am happy to announce that My newest DVD is available.

This DVD is different that my previous and also different than others. I focus on issues that shooters have when trying to fine-tune/fix issues.

It is about 80 minutes and sells for $50.00 plus $8.00 shipping.

If you have never seen my original I have reduced it to $40.00 plus shipping and I feel this is still the best value DVD, it is 3hours and 20 minutes long and covers everything I could think of at the time and it is reduced from 50 to 40. There is also a package purchace of 80.00 for the pair.

thanks phil will take you to the secure order site

 Post subject: Re: New DVD available!!
PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:26 am 
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Below is a review that Kim Kodl wrote for Shotgun Sports magazine:

Learn From The Best
by Kim Kodl

Phil Kiner's Trapshooting Clinics & DVDs
Fine-Tune Your Game And Break More Targets

We ought to be grateful to the guy who dropped out of the University of Wyoming and was therefore ineligible to compete for the school's trap team in 1972. Why? This opened up a last-minute spot on the team for Phil Kiner, who turned his quail-hunting skills into clay target-busting thrills, and he would have otherwise never discovered the exceptional talent he possessed for trapshooting.

Kiner, who held his first clinic in 1988, has since imparted his wisdom to students across 42 states and two Canadian provinces. He estimates over the last 31 years, he has analyzed over half a million shots on video replay. In his new instructional 80-minute DVD Fine-Tune Your Game And Break More Targets, his non-traditional approach focuses on one of the most necessary skills you need to become a top shot—and how you can recognize and correct the most common mistakes that cause that dreaded word: LOST.

Kiner's trapshooting résumé is as phenomenal as his knowledge of the game. A 33-time ATA All-American, he set the ATA 400x400 All-Around Record (200x200 Singles, 100x100 Doubles & 100x100 Handicap) at the Colorado State Shoot in June 1994. He set two world records in 2004 by breaking his second 400x400 and by setting the World Record on a 1,000 target HOA of 995x1000 (400 Singles, 400 Handicap and 200 Doubles). Phil is the only shooter who has broken 100 straights from the 27-yard line shooting two-eyed and one-eyed.

Spanning 47 years, he has won 77 Wyoming State Championships, the 1998 Grand HOA, 100+ Grand trophies and more than 100 Satellite Grand trophies. Hallmarks of Phil's trapshooting career are his inductions into the Wyoming Trapshooting Hall of Fame in 1990, the ATA Trapshooting Hall of Fame in 2006 and the Wyoming Sports Hall of Fame in 2007.

Where and How to Look
Kiner begins his instructional video with the concepts of soft focus and hard focus, both terms he originated. At the gun club, he says you will inevitably hear from shooters who want to hand out advice: “Look at the front of the house,” “Look at the T-bar stake,” “Look to the 50-yard line,” or “Look clear to the horizon”. Which is the correct answer?

He illustrates hold points and look points with several graphics, emphasizing “one size does not fit all.” One graphic illustrates the approximate hold and look points of three of the best shots in the country—all three are totally different. He says this illustrates the fact not everyone’s eyes work the same. Consequently, one look point will not necessarily work for all shooters.

To expand on the importance of an optimal look point, Kiner says calling “Pull” before your eyes are ready and where they need to be will almost always result in a lost target. To illustrate this point, Kiner tells a compelling anecdote about a shooter who lamented his averages had been dropping steadily over six months. This shooter worried he might have a tumor on his optic nerve even though the eye doctor couldn’t detect any problems with his vision. Kiner diagnosed and solved this shooter’s problem over the course of a weekend clinic where the shooter ultimately dominated the shoot-offs. Moral of the story? Every shooter has to find his own best look point.

Hold Height and Hold Points
If you have viewed his previous DVD—Phil Kiner’s Trapshooting Clinic—you'll notice he has modified his theory in two areas: hold height and hold points. His views have shifted on where one-eyed vs. two-eyed shooters and left-handers vs. right-handers should hold their guns over the traphouse.

He also wants to stress the importance of seeing the target. You can do everything perfectly: stance, mount, hold point, look point—but if you're not totally focused on the target, you will miss the target.

In field analysis, Kiner asks a couple of assistants to demonstrate how it looks when their soft focus and hold points are incorrect for each of them, and conversely, what it looks like when those aspects are correct and synchronized. Several video replays show the target shot in real time, then repeated in slow-motion. In each instance, Kiner presents a comprehensive analysis of why the target was missed when the optimal look point is incorrect for that individual, and likewise, when the target is hit when that individual uses his normal sweet spot.

Point Of Impact
Kiner emphasizes two things in trapshooting that will make or break you as a shooter: seeing the target properly and your gun's point of impact (POI).

Kiner stresses the importance of setting up your shotgun with a POI that is optimal for you. He says it is important not to become engrossed with a preconceived POI such as 50/50, 60/40, 75/25, 90/10 and so on. A POI problem can be subtle in that most shooters cannot tell if they’re set up properly (an accompanying graphic shows examples of optimal and non-optimal POI in a shot cloud), and thus could go years shooting below their potential and never know it.

A shooter's "perfect figure 8" view down the rib does not automatically ensure a perfect POI, either. When describing how your gun shoots, he recommends "stop talking percentages" and instead refer to the POI in terms of inches to the center of the pattern at a specific yardage. He makes the analogy just as everyone cannot wear the same prescription in their glasses, a shooter's optimal POI will vary from shooter to shooter.

Many of the early shotgunning instruction books were written prior to the advent of adjustable combs and adjustable ribs. Kiner says these books are missing a vital component—how to get your gun to shoot where you're looking on moving clay targets—not at a piece of paper. He says if we could measure and actually quantify all the variables, such as reflexes, eye-hand coordination, visual acuity, and eye reflexes, then we could accurately set POI without shooting the gun. Since that's not possible, we have to shoot at targets and go through the process.

Mind the Gap
Kiner says shooters can judge their POIs by "smoke" and "feel". This segment is a great tutorial on how to increase your black cloud quotient with the use of stock spacers on your adjustable comb, then test-firing on various posts. Like all sports, this is a game of inches—in this case, increments of 1/16" on your comb. For those using moleskin or Meadow Industries' Convert-A-Stock, the process is the same and he shows you how simple they are to install. (Editor's note: See Meadow Industries ad on page 29.)

In field analysis, video shots show a split screen displaying the gap between comb and stock in two different demonstrations, and how well the target was hit (or not) in both instances. Bottom line: If it feels good when you make a change, then it is good. If the change produces more smoke, even better!

Why We Miss, Part 1
Quick Calls, Don't See Target, Bead Checks
Mental theory says never mention the word "miss". But if we miss and don't know why, that thought will lurk in the recesses of our brains and generate additional misses down the line. Kiner spends an immense amount of time in his clinics analyzing misses and where they're located, so he can make the point of not "where" but "why". More importantly, he emphasizes, once your brain understands the reason for the miss, it is a lot more likely to allow you to make the necessary change.

He describes several scenarios of quick calls, not seeing the target properly and bead checks. In all of the instances described, the target gets a jump on the shooter, which in turn pushes the "panic button" hardwired to the front hand, resulting in a poke or similar move to the target. These examples are later shown in field analysis, and he troubleshoots problems to fix your "targeting computer."

Why We Miss, Part 2
Crossfiring is the most misdiagnosed and misunderstood problem in trapshooting and probably in all of shotgunning, says Kiner. Crossfiring occurs when the off-eye takes over, and the brain uses that off-eye to aim or point the shotgun. This action is totally involuntary and is unpredictable as to when it will occur. The resulting shot is typically a miss.

Kiner says the reason the crossfired shot is a miss is because the off-eye, the barrel and the bird are lined up on the target but the gun is actually pointed to the side to where the off-eye appeared to be pointing the barrel. (He explains how you can demonstrate to yourself how a crossfired shot occurs.) The fact the off-eye can and does take over at various times is one of the many reasons properly diagnosing misses can be so tricky.

To reduce or eliminate the possibility of crossfiring, Kiner shows a series of options including placement of a barrel blinder and putting tape across the off-eye lens. He prefers Meadow Industries' Sight-Blinder or Crossfire-Eliminator. He is also a proponent of eye exercises. (Editor's note: see Phil Kiner's Eye Improvement Program DVD on this page.)

In field analysis, the first crossfire example shows a left-handed, one-eyed shooter who needs to close her off-eye because if she just tapes her right-eye, she will still crossfire. Kiner explains a few "typical" crossfire misses demonstrated by this assistant, explaining in detail how barrel shifts and hesitation contribute to the misses. After the shot is out of the barrel, she brings the barrel back to the left subconsciously because the left eye re-assumed shooting of the target. In another shot, she's slow to see the target, probably because of the car in the background. When she does see the target, the gun never really syncs to the target.

Finally, the maestro himself demonstrates a miss, admitting the black target was difficult to see in the grassy background. He was slow to see the target leave the house because he was looking at his bead when he called "Pull", so he made a jerky move to the target when his vision caught up with it. He explains his crossfire miss in more detail, but the gist is "funky move due to first anticipating the target, then bead checking, compounded by left and right eyes fighting for targeting control." Another insight: he says most observers will say you are behind the target because they see the barrel stop, but this is "pure optical illusion."

In closing, Kiner thanks those who have contributed to his video in a variety of ways:
• Krieghoff International, and especially Dieter Kreighoff
• Federal Cartridge, the ammunition he has shot almost exclusively since 1984
• White Flyer Targets, the only brand shot in Cheyenne (WY)
• Shooter assistants
• Cheyenne Trap & Skeet Club, his home club since 1973 and the host club for all of his how-to videos

Whether you’re a beginning shooter or a AAA 27 AAA, all shooters will benefit from information in this video. His passion for teaching the sport is apparent, and his insights and analyses will undoubtedly raise your game to the next level. As he remarks in the introduction, "I am as proud of my students' success as I am of my own."

Phil Kiner is available for clinics at virtually any gun club in the country. He has successfully taught all ages from sub-junior through senior vets. Visit his website at for more information.

You can order his new DVD or any of his other instructional videos by calling Shotgun Sports magazine at (800) 676-8920 or visit For more information, see his new DVD listed as Feature Product of the Month on page 40.

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