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 Post subject: What are considered the toughest shots in issf skeet?
PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:50 am 
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 Post subject: Re: What are considered the toughest shots in issf skeet?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:47 am 
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I think average people encounter difficulties shooting the 2 doubles on station 4.
The trick is to shoot the first bird before the 8 station.


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 Post subject: Re: What are considered the toughest shots in issf skeet?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:56 am 
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Thanks fabio, its good to finally get a response from some one knowledgeable about the subject. I have a strange quirk where i shoot better from my left eye, with the gun mounted on my left shoulder, yet my eye dominance is right. so I basically have to shut my right eye. But if i shoot with my right eye with both eyes open i do much worse than shooting using my left eye.
This issue has more of an effect when shooting issf rules, as it takes more time to mount the gun from the issf stipulated starting position.


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 Post subject: Re: What are considered the toughest shots in issf skeet?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:14 pm 
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vagabond77 wrote:
Thanks fabio, its good to finally get a response from some one knowledgeable about the subject. I have a strange quirk where i shoot better from my left eye, with the gun mounted on my left shoulder, yet my eye dominance is right. so I basically have to shut my right eye. But if i shoot with my right eye with both eyes open i do much worse than shooting using my left eye.
This issue has more of an effect when shooting issf rules, as it takes more time to mount the gun from the issf stipulated starting position.


vagabond, this dominance issue could be a problem with any type of shooting but I guess there are specialist that you can take advice.

this link below ,maybe you already know, is Mr. Blasi's step by step method and it is considered probably the best international skeet coaching available until now

http://www.issf-sports.org/development/ ... .ashx#/22/

where do you practice in the US ?


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 Post subject: Re: What are considered the toughest shots in issf skeet?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:57 pm 
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Located in Pakistan, There are maybe 4 or 5 skeet ranges in the entire country. So not very many people have experience of skeet in my part of the world. I am finally building my own fully issf compliant skeet range at my farm, just took delivery of two promatic ranger 8s along with the complete wiring and controls today. Before this, my only clay experience has been with a do-all white quail which I'm pretty sick of.
But now that I have my own skeet range, I think with enough practice I can definitely do something meaningful at the regional maybe even national level of competition. A box of 25 cartridges costs about 11 dollars us. And a box of 150 corsivia(Spanish) clays costs about 32 dollars.
I just tested the Promatics today, I had no idea what I was missing. The difference between the do-all and the promatic is like night and day. Of course everyone else on this forum probably takes this for granted, what with so many clubs around and all.but For me it was a revelation. All the clays I launched on the promatic hit the exact same spot.
I hope this helps give some perspective on where I'm coming from. Btw, i do all my clay breaking with a baikal o/u, and I absolutely love it. It's built like a tank, has the perfect weight for my application, and always fires no matter what. It has outshone a couple of barettas of some friends that came over for clay shooting.

Ps. I did think about coaching, but first I will compete at the regional level, if I do well and there is a chance for me to enter the national competitions then I will travel to wherever I can find a coach. But at this time i just want to practice practice practice.


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 Post subject: Re: What are considered the toughest shots in issf skeet?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:19 pm 
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cheer up vagabond , we are in the same your situation or worst down here in Brazil .
8.5 milion square /km .
5 skeet ranges
12 US$ per box of 25 shells
Just 1 ammo factory owned 50% by military people
Illigal to import shells
No store sales of ammunition just tru a shooting range with very limited quantity per shooter.
takes a year to get permission and import a 12 ga. shotgun
A beretta 682 gold E cost about US$ 7.000,00 down here
takes 6 months to be able to transport that shotgun
Every year must renew all licences
No hunting of ANY KIND allowed all over the contry.
50.000 homicides per year
Totally illigal to carry a pistol for self defense.
& so on.
So be happy there in Pakistan.
Finally
Do not practice without some kind of coaching because you are probably getting very good in practicing the wrong way.
Read the " Step by step " by Antonio Blasi ,it will be your guide.


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 Post subject: Re: What are considered the toughest shots in issf skeet?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:02 pm 
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Dear fabio, it's the exact same here in Pakistan, one ammo manufacturer partially owned by the military. No ability to import ammo or weapons. A glock costs 3000 dollars. But the strange part is a cz costs 700 dollars which in my humble opinion is the same quality of weapon if not better.
A basic beretta over under costs about 3000 and that is for whatever is in the gunshop owners cabinet, god help you if you want something in particular, so if I wanted a beretta 686 for skeet, it would cost me double it's MSRP, but a baikal costs 500 dollars, you can forget about perrazis or ceasar guirinis. Also, there's no such thing as manufacturer's warranty or anything. Of course you need to have an arms license for every weapon and then you have to renew it every year. There is also a limit on the amount of ammo you can buy, but the ammo limit can be increased after a certain fee is paid.
By the way an ak47 costs about 1300 us but a permit for it costs the same.

Ps. My excitement level these days is peaking, as I can't get over my own skeet range. Thanks for the tips on coaching. Will definitely check them out. If chance ever has you passing by my neck of the woods, you have an invitation to stay at my farm and shoot to your hearts' content.


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 Post subject: Re: What are considered the toughest shots in issf skeet?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:27 am 
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Our governments are very skilled to keep the conntry third world forever...


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 Post subject: Re: What are considered the toughest shots in issf skeet?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:24 pm 
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In the end it's our fault, for allowing them to do this...


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 Post subject: Re: What are considered the toughest shots in issf skeet?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:11 am 
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Gosh, that's terrible. You two need to move to the USA.

Getting back to the original question. I haven't shot ISSF targets
but I've shot international sequence with delay on a NSSA compliant
range and have to say that station 4 doubles are the toughest on the field.


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 Post subject: Re: What are considered the toughest shots in issf skeet?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:45 pm 
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Dear bob, I lived in the us of a for almost ten years, went to school in Atlanta. Loved GA and the southern charm so much that i stayed and worked there for a few years. While there, I never got into shooting, first love was always motorcycle racing, and pursued it to my hearts content.
When I moved back to Pakistan, I still wasn't into shooting, never got into hunting as well despite a lot of friends and family who're avid hunters.
This may seem pretty strange, but I actually got interested in clay shooting because of playing video games on my play station. I played a lot of modern warfare( military shooter if you must know) and curiosity about what it would be like to shoot for real really got me into this. My brother has a couple of handguns, tried target shooting with that, but shooting at static targets didn't float my boat. So then I read about clay shooting, got the do all white quail end of 2010, the wife got me a baikal o/u. And then clay shooting and I lived happily ever after.
And now I'm making my own skeet range at my farm. At first it was purely for entertainment, then it occurred to me, with only 5 skeet ranges in the entire country, and the cost of clays and cartridges being ridiculously high, there aren't very many people in this part of the world who can do this, so if I practise enough I might actually be able to do something in the regionals or even nationals. I got the hand eye coordination for a race bike and ps3 controller, need to apply it to my shotgun.


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 Post subject: Re: What are considered the toughest shots in issf skeet?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:41 am 
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http://youtu.be/qFyaL67TiEg

Click on WW site YOUTUBE


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 Post subject: Re: What are considered the toughest shots in issf skeet?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:43 am 
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http://youtu.be/qFyaL67TiEg

Click on Above WWW site. Thanks.. Pap


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 Post subject: Re: What are considered the toughest shots in issf skeet?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:23 pm 
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Vagabond,did you ever race a Road Atlanta or down at the Birmingham track?

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 Post subject: Re: What are considered the toughest shots in issf skeet?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:37 pm 
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Dear Michael, I've done road Atlanta, talladega and roebling on 600s. Also did the Kevin schwantz school at road Atlanta. I started out as a pit mechanic to learn the ropes while at ga tech. Once I got a job I was able to afford racing. But even then it was too expensive. Just rubber can cost a 1000 bucks every two weeks. To say nothing of race fuel, spares, travel to and from race tracks. And this is for the super sport class, where the only things on the bike you are allowed to change are the exhaust, the suspension and fuel map. Also, taking a Friday off every two weeks is not always an option. In WERA only the top guy is cash positive. But it is addictive, if you catch the bug. You always want to go back to the racetrack no matter what. I have quite a few bikes still, but unfortunately no race tracks in my part of the world. But I try to make up by riding in the mountains, we've got some of the curviest roads among the highest mountain peaks here. A lot of Europeans bring their bikes to ride the curves. In fact I took a fall just recently while riding up in the mountains, got a little too over zealous on a down hill curve, front wheel locked. It was either the road barrier and a subsequent 500 foot drop or putting the bike down. Decided to put it down voluntarily, scraped knee, ankle and elbow.


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 Post subject: Re: What are considered the toughest shots in issf skeet?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:21 pm 
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papcharlie wrote:
http://youtu.be/qFyaL67TiEg

Click on WW site YOUTUBE



You can't do that in olympic skeet .


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 Post subject: Re: What are considered the toughest shots in issf skeet?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:42 pm 
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vagabond77 wrote:
Dear Michael, I've done road Atlanta, talladega and roebling on 600s. Also did the Kevin schwantz school at road Atlanta. I started out as a pit mechanic to learn the ropes while at ga tech. Once I got a job I was able to afford racing. But even then it was too expensive. Just rubber can cost a 1000 bucks every two weeks. To say nothing of race fuel, spares, travel to and from race tracks. And this is for the super sport class, where the only things on the bike you are allowed to change are the exhaust, the suspension and fuel map. Also, taking a Friday off every two weeks is not always an option. In WERA only the top guy is cash positive. But it is addictive, if you catch the bug. You always want to go back to the racetrack no matter what. I have quite a few bikes still, but unfortunately no race tracks in my part of the world. But I try to make up by riding in the mountains, we've got some of the curviest roads among the highest mountain peaks here. A lot of Europeans bring their bikes to ride the curves. In fact I took a fall just recently while riding up in the mountains, got a little too over zealous on a down hill curve, front wheel locked. It was either the road barrier and a subsequent 500 foot drop or putting the bike down. Decided to put it down voluntarily, scraped knee, ankle and elbow.


That sounds awesome.I've been riding for a little over 40 years now,mostly dirt now days on my KTM's but I do still have one street bike,a CBR 600 RR.I've never lived anywhere that had a road track but we do have some awesome mountain roads here in Alaska.

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 Post subject: Re: What are considered the toughest shots in issf skeet?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:10 pm 
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Alaska is definitely on my bucket list... I've done San francisco to Atlanta once. And Atlanta to NYC a lot of times.
As I grow older I want to get closer to nature, the following by Walt Whitman pretty much sums up how I feel these days. And Alaska is one of the most beautiful places on earth. You are lucky to call it home.

"After you have exhausted what there is in business, politics, conviviality, and so on, have found that none of these finally satisfy, or permanently wear, what remains? Nature remains."


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 Post subject: Re: What are considered the toughest shots in issf skeet?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:23 pm 
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vagabond77 wrote:
Alaska is definitely on my bucket list... I've done San francisco to Atlanta once. And Atlanta to NYC a lot of times.



vagabond ..if you shoot station 4 doubles the way you ride your bike better Vincent Hackock watch his own back ....


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 Post subject: Re: What are considered the toughest shots in issf skeet?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:31 pm 
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Hehe...I can only wish...Vincent Hancock is something else altogether. I'd be happy if I could cause a couple of drops of sweat on the national champ's brow. I'm starting too late, but I think I got a slight chance. Regards.




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