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 Post subject: Pump shotguns and the ISSF
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:03 pm 
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Does anyone know why the ISSF bans pump guns from its three shotgun disciplines? Granted they are far from ideal, but if so, why even bother singling them out?

Is this just some Euro snobbery against a uniquely American design?




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 Post subject: Re: Pump shotguns and the ISSF
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:30 pm 
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Not in any ISSF manual that I've ever read.

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 Post subject: Re: Pump shotguns and the ISSF
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:24 pm 
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Skeet_Man wrote:
Not in any ISSF manual that I've ever read.

Allow me then, from the 2013 ISSF rulebook:
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9.4.2.1 Types of Shotguns
All types of smoothbore shotguns, including semi-automatics, but
excluding pump action shotguns
, may be used, provided their
caliber does not exceed 12 gauge. Shotguns smaller than 12
gauge may be used.


You will have to download the complete ISSF rulebook here: http://www.issf-sports.org/theissf/rules.ashx if you wish to check on that.


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 Post subject: Re: Pump shotguns and the ISSF
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:36 pm 
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Well I stand corrected then. Doesn't make sense that they'd allow semi-autos, but not allow pumps.

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 Post subject: Re: Pump shotguns and the ISSF
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:36 pm 
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Some guy at some point must have been embarrassed or lost some serious coin by being beat by a guy with a nasty old American pump.


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 Post subject: Re: Pump shotguns and the ISSF
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:44 pm 
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These things need not make sense. Referring to a gauge as a "caliber" doesn't, but there it is. :?

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 Post subject: Re: Pump shotguns and the ISSF
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:24 pm 
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Is it possible that in the rest of the world pumps are associated with military uses and thus frowned upon?


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 Post subject: Re: Pump shotguns and the ISSF
PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:37 am 
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Doorknob wrote:
Is it possible that in the rest of the world pumps are associated with military uses and thus frowned upon?

Pump shotguns are perfectly legal in many European countries, including the UK (subject to mag capacity limits) just like semi autos.

And if any operating system is closely associated with military firearms, it would be the gas operated self loading system........


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 Post subject: Re: Pump shotguns and the ISSF
PostPosted: Wed Jul 17, 2013 3:08 pm 
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Understanding pump gun malfunction and feeding and finding fault by gun or shooter is very difficult for ISU referees. International referees in practice shooting are selected in rotation among shooters who largely don't understand the pump gun. An early International Clay Target event or two were won with Model 12s, one by a Canadian. They were two shot events with all other shooters using guns that did not require pumping.




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