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 Post subject: Re: If money no object, what's the best perazzi gun?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:13 pm 
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The original question included the sentence "If money no object, what would you guys use for trap?" I'll share my thoughts. I've owned two Perazzis over the years but don't own any now.

(Flame retardant jacket on) I chose to go with and stick with Kolar. I like how I have a roll pin installed inside the receiver to prevent the safety from ever being engaged. If I put two shells in and close the gun it will fire whatever barrel the selector is set to without worries about doubling or bending parts. Kolar also doesn't have the reputation for breaking springs (vs Perazzi leaf spring models) or having ribs come unsoldered (happened to a friend's MX8 today). Kolar service is routinely done in less than a week, but have said to some that they don't recommend an "annual" until about 100K rounds are fired. I believe that it's a more durable and reliable shotgun overall.

I still think Perazzi is one of the very best guns money can buy for target shooting. Just not THE very best.




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 Post subject: Re: If money no object, what's the best perazzi gun?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 1:19 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: If money no object, what's the best perazzi gun?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:05 pm 
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Actually , Kolar has a rep for horrible triggers. That's why they totally redesigned them. And yet they still have trigger problems. Very raggeddy on the 1st pull and randomly on the 2d pull , too.

I know from experience. They worked on mine several times.

Their bbl selector is better than an MX 8 Perazzi but not as good as an MX 12. The MX 12 (I have an MX 20) has the best selector on any gun I have owned.

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 Post subject: Re: If money no object, what's the best perazzi gun?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:42 pm 
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Both of my Kolars have Stage 2 (introduced around 2007) triggers. There is no detectable creep and they consistently release at a consistent pressure. Both guns feel exactly the same to me. I don't know what more I could ask for!


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 Post subject: Re: If money no object, what's the best perazzi gun?
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:58 pm 
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blacktrail wrote:
The original question included the sentence "If money no object, what would you guys use for trap?" I'll share my thoughts. I've owned two Perazzis over the years but don't own any now.

(Flame retardant jacket on) I chose to go with and stick with Kolar. I like how I have a roll pin installed inside the receiver to prevent the safety from ever being engaged. If I put two shells in and close the gun it will fire whatever barrel the selector is set to without worries about doubling or bending parts. Kolar also doesn't have the reputation for breaking springs (vs Perazzi leaf spring models) or having ribs come unsoldered (happened to a friend's MX8 today). Kolar service is routinely done in less than a week, but have said to some that they don't recommend an "annual" until about 100K rounds are fired. I believe that it's a more durable and reliable shotgun overall.

I still think Perazzi is one of the very best guns money can buy for target shooting. Just not THE very best.


Blacktrail,
Valid points but I for one will point out the difference.

FEEL !

You can talk all you want about Kolar which I agree is an excellent gun but a fixed choke Perazzi is magical in feel and handling. There simply is no substitiute.

Dave


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 Post subject: Re: If money no object, what's the best perazzi gun?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:01 pm 
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If you are really looking for a lifetime gun, especially a hunting gun, get an MX28-B. These are wonderful, built to the same standards as the other Perazzis, just smaller. Mine with 30” barrels weighs spot on 6#, is a great quail and chukar gun (wild birds).

Takes awhile to get one, but every Perazzi fan needs one. It’s wonderful.


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 Post subject: Re: If money no object, what's the best perazzi gun?
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 7:35 am 
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blacktrail wrote:
Both of my Kolars have Stage 2 (introduced around 2007) triggers. There is no detectable creep and they consistently release at a consistent pressure. Both guns feel exactly the same to me. I don't know what more I could ask for!



Is that the current trigger? Mechanical? thx


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 Post subject: Re: If money no object, what's the best perazzi gun?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:21 pm 
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Perazzi is a super expensive thing, but I think it is worth, because a real gun lover will understand how cool is to shot from that gun. Moreover I love their designs and the wooden stuff on them, looking amazing. I saw an MX12 recently that costs $10000, it is crazy money but I fallen in love with this gun. So now it is the right moment to start playing 777casino and poker and to collect money. A few years ago I collected for a new car, now it will be easier to do the same for a 10k gun. Wish me good luck.


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 Post subject: Re: If money no object, what's the best perazzi gun?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:40 am 
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John Henry wrote:
pulpssc wrote:
So, from what I have gathered, MX8 is "better" as I can change the spring. What would you consider the best "value" MX8 gun (Sorry, I am asking very generalized question as I am still wet behind the ears with Perazzi guns). I am basically looking for MX8 gun with adjustable comb and maybe buttplate?


Yeah, I love things that are "better" :roll: because you can easily fix the stuff they are famous for breaking!!

The removable trigger K-80 (K-80 RT) is one of the biggest flops int he shooting sports.

I don't put much value on guns with removable triggers. More interested in guns that the trifggers don't break!

I do have an absolutely beautiful MX-12 SC3, which I rarely shoot. It's a safe queen which will soon be sold!


Looking for a "trigger that won't break" is impossible. That's like wanting a car that has tires that never wear out.

It's not a reflection of the design of the gun. Springs are simply consumable parts and they all break, even those in K-80s.

K-80s use coil springs on captured rods so if the mainspring does break, it MAY still work, but it will need to be replaced as well.

I've seen plenty of K-80s out of commission due to spring breakage. With a detachable trigger design, this can be rectified in seconds.

It's nice to have more modularity when you are at a big tournament!

Vee springs are likely less durable than coils, but they are super easy to replace, but via a spare group, and then later fixing them on the main group. Their main benefit is supposedly faster lock time and the fact that they don't fatigue over time like coils (potentially changing the trigger feel), they just simply snap after 30-50k shots.

Then you replace them in seconds. There's a big reason why the Colt Python (Vee spring action) is HIGHLY sought after today and the later coil spring designs aren't.


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 Post subject: Re: If money no object, what's the best perazzi gun?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:53 pm 
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mpolans wrote:
Tvbh40a wrote:
mortum wrote:
I owned both the MX8 (well... the MX2000/8, which is the same thing but with different engraving) and the MX12 both purchased from Pacific Sporting Arms in Azusa, CA. After extensively shooting leaf and coil spring based triggers (respectively), I honestly could not tell any difference. If I would be buying a Perazzi today, I would definitely go with the fixed trigger MX12. I very much prefer MX12's barrel selector on top vs. MX8's behind the trigger. Also, MX12 has slightly thicker wood left around the trigger assembly.


Are there any mechanical difference between a MX12 and a MT6? Perazzi is awesome at rebranding/marketing. I love my MX8 and haven't seen any upgrades to the function of the gun

Lockup in the receiver is the same (square monobloc w/bifurcated lumps). The lever release plunger on the MT6 is at the 12 o'clock position, while at the 9 o'clock position on the MX12. Early MT6s had a unique push button-style forearm latch. Later MT6s had a Type 4 forearm latch. MT6s have slightly raised ribs...I haven't measured, but I'd say about half of a typical mid-rib gun (also, I think the earlier ribs are fractionally taller than later ribs). MT6s barrels don't have side ribs. The later MT6s with the flat sides (earlier ones have stripes machined into the receivers) and type 4 forearms tend to be more highly desired since some folks think they look better and you can swap any type 4 barrel on them, but if you're not planning on swapping barrels, I wouldn't pay the extra $1,000+ premium for a later MT6.

I don't think any of the differences between MX12s, early MT6s, and later MT6s affect their ability to break targets.


mpolans...the only Perazzi I'll ever be able to afford and justify so my wife can at least get some of the cost back when I'm gone is an MT6. I've come to that realization due in very large part, to your thorough, informative, posts. Shout out to you and all posters for the very helpful information.

The striped MT6 guns with the old style unique forend design are decades out of production now. Will forend repairs and parts availability be a problem? I actually prefer no side ribs, and almost assuredly won't ever be paying for a wood upgrade or additional barrels, so in that regard, the old style forend is fine with me. Ditto the striped receiver.

But what happens if the forend or forend mechanism needs replacement or service? Is it then a matter of owning an albatross, and or, an expensive repair issue?


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 Post subject: Re: If money no object, what's the best perazzi gun?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:34 pm 
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Grouse Gunner wrote:
mpolans wrote:
Tvbh40a wrote:
mortum wrote:
I owned both the MX8 (well... the MX2000/8, which is the same thing but with different engraving) and the MX12 both purchased from Pacific Sporting Arms in Azusa, CA. After extensively shooting leaf and coil spring based triggers (respectively), I honestly could not tell any difference. If I would be buying a Perazzi today, I would definitely go with the fixed trigger MX12. I very much prefer MX12's barrel selector on top vs. MX8's behind the trigger. Also, MX12 has slightly thicker wood left around the trigger assembly.


Are there any mechanical difference between a MX12 and a MT6? Perazzi is awesome at rebranding/marketing. I love my MX8 and haven't seen any upgrades to the function of the gun

Lockup in the receiver is the same (square monobloc w/bifurcated lumps). The lever release plunger on the MT6 is at the 12 o'clock position, while at the 9 o'clock position on the MX12. Early MT6s had a unique push button-style forearm latch. Later MT6s had a Type 4 forearm latch. MT6s have slightly raised ribs...I haven't measured, but I'd say about half of a typical mid-rib gun (also, I think the earlier ribs are fractionally taller than later ribs). MT6s barrels don't have side ribs. The later MT6s with the flat sides (earlier ones have stripes machined into the receivers) and type 4 forearms tend to be more highly desired since some folks think they look better and you can swap any type 4 barrel on them, but if you're not planning on swapping barrels, I wouldn't pay the extra $1,000+ premium for a later MT6.

I don't think any of the differences between MX12s, early MT6s, and later MT6s affect their ability to break targets.


mpolans...the only Perazzi I'll ever be able to afford and justify so my wife can at least get some of the cost back when I'm gone is an MT6. I've come to that realization due in very large part, to your thorough, informative, posts. Shout out to you and all posters for the very helpful information.

The striped MT6 guns with the old style unique forend design are decades out of production now. Will forend repairs and parts availability be a problem? I actually prefer no side ribs, and almost assuredly won't ever be paying for a wood upgrade or additional barrels, so in that regard, the old style forend is fine with me. Ditto the striped receiver.

But what happens if the forend or forend mechanism needs replacement or service? Is it then a matter of owning an albatross, and or, an expensive repair issue?

I think most of the older MT6 parts are still available either new or new old stock, as most are the same as on other Perazzi models. As for the MT6-specific forend, not sure if all parts are made, I wouldn't bet against it. If anything, some folks have swapped on newer Type 4 forends on their older MT6s so they can use more common Type 4 barrels, so there are probably several spare MT6 forends collecting dust somewhere. Absolute worst case scenario, you could swap to a Type 4 forend by buying a forend iron and forend (about $900-1200) and paying a gunsmith to swap the forend lug on the barrel (about $150), which isn't cheap, but possible.


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 Post subject: Re: If money no object, what's the best perazzi gun?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:32 am 
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Thanks MP. Once again, straight to the point and very helpful information.

I've wanted a Perazzi for a long, long, time. My one and only target gun is an SP1and I'll still feel blessed every time I get to enjoy our wonderful pastime even if that remains the gun for me for the rest of my life.

That said, although my stable is already minimalist and utilitarian and I don't really have much I don't use that I can sell, I think I will be able to realistically finagle an MT6, and only an MT6, when the right one comes along.

So far, most if not all in my price range have had trap stocks, or porting, or both. Both of those features have been deal killers for me. Stocks can be swapped I know, within a wide spectrum of additional cost obviously. Porting...MAYBE I could live with, but if it's my bucket list gun, no matter how low a goal it may seem, I'd rather not accept that feature either. I don't shoot well with parallel or rising stocks. Good thing I and my Silver Pigeon get along.

Thanks again to all for the helpful information, and to the OP for starting this thread. Sorry if I took it off track.




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