I bought a gun at the Tulsa gun show.
Model 12 20 ga. 26" barrel. Serial#315368. Year of manufacture? Nickel steel barrel.
Gun has been refinished, vent rib added.
What did that do to the value??
Full choke. Since it has been altered, would opening the choke make any difference in future value??
Choke is funny. I remember Bob Brister telling the story about a shotgun he had. Might have been a model 12. He opened the choke from Full to ImpCyl. It was still stamped Full on the barrel. He said he would loan it out and the shooters would compliment him on how hard it shot. I don't know if that's a commentary on choke or shooters. I wouldn't worry about opening the choke.
I bought a gun at the Tulsa gun shoe.
Model 12 20 ga. 26" barrel. Serial#315368. Year of manufacture? Nickel steel barrel.
Gun has been refinished, vent rib added. What did that do to the value??
Full choke. Since it has been altered, would opening the choke make any difference in future value??
1) Well, since you bought the gun, it's value is no less than what you paid.
2) Don't think the choke being opened would do it anything to its future value.
3) I am not expert enough to say definitively, but I don't think a general statement that most model 12s & 42s have been refinished is accurate. Maybe among the ones you see for sale that is true, but there are train car loads of them that never enter the market place.
A Winchester collector would be better able to comment on the model 12s and Larry Sidener could tell you whether it is true or not on model 42s.
I bought a gun at the Tulsa gun shoe.
Model 12 20 ga. 26" barrel. Serial#315368. Year of manufacture? Nickel steel barrel.
Gun has been refinished, vent rib added. What did that do to the value??
Full choke. Since it has been altered, would opening the choke make any difference in future value??
1) Well, since you bought the gun, it's value is no less than what you paid.
2) Don't think the choke being opened would do it anything to its future value.
3) I am not expert enough to say definitively, but I don't think a general statement that most model 12s & 42s have been refinished is accurate. Maybe among the ones you see for sale that is true, but there are train car loads of them that never enter the market place.
Yes, based on what I saw at the gun show.
A Winchester collector would be better able to comment on the model 12s and Larry Sidener could tell you whether it is true or not on model 42s.
Shot the gun today.
Old tolerances must have been really tight.
Shot REM Gun Clubs. Wouldn't eject. Had to dig shell out. 2nd shot the same.
Had some AAs and they worked fine.
Gun Clubs are slightly longer, who knew?
Some guns, especially older guns it seems, just don't like those steel bases. Win AA or other similar cases work fine. My son shoots an old Fox BSE that is that way.
26" Full choke seems an odd combination on a gun of that age. I'm sure there are exceptions, but generally IC choke was the norm for 26" barrels. Since it has a rib added, could it have started life as a longer full choke barrel and been shortened? I'd shoot it to see how it patterns before I made modifications.
Some guns, especially older guns it seems, just don't like those steel bases. Win AA or other similar cases work fine. My son shoots an old Fox BSE that is that way.
26" Full choke seems an odd combination on a gun of that age. I'm sure there are exceptions, but generally IC choke was the norm for 26" barrels. Since it has a rib added, could it have started life as a longer full choke barrel and been shortened? I'd shoot it to see how it patterns before I made modifications.
Some guns, especially older guns it seems, just don't like those steel bases. Win AA or other similar cases work fine. My son shoots an old Fox BSE that is that way.
26" Full choke seems an odd combination on a gun of that age. I'm sure there are exceptions, but generally IC choke was the norm for 26" barrels. Since it has a rib added, could it have started life as a longer full choke barrel and been shortened? I'd shoot it to see how it patterns before I made modifications.
I've got a 16 ***** built on the same frame. Mine has also been refinished, it has a Simmons rib and polychoke. I upgraded the wood as I wanted a longer LOP.
All that hurts the value, but I shoot mine regularly and really don't care. It was originally my dads quail gun. I shoot sporting clays with it now. I've shoot about the same scores with the model 12 as my much more expensive Ceasar Guerini.
I occasionally have problems with the older Herters shells, I reload, they are a hair longer than Remington's.
One of the few M12s I kept is a 16ga 26" full choke. It is a beater that someone shellacked and cold blued. I couldn't get out of it what it's worth to me, so I try to take it squirrel hunting once in a while.
Your 20 gauge Model 12 started life with 2 1/2 inch chamber, at that serial number.
I would examine the chamber closely, in looking at extraction issues.
Some guns, especially older guns it seems, just don't like those steel bases. Win AA or other similar cases work fine. My son shoots an old Fox BSE that is that way.
26" Full choke seems an odd combination on a gun of that age. I'm sure there are exceptions, but generally IC choke was the norm for 26" barrels. Since it has a rib added, could it have started life as a longer full choke barrel and been shortened? I'd shoot it to see how it patterns before I made modifications.
Your 20 gauge Model 12 started life with 2 1/2 inch chamber, at that serial number.
I would examine the chamber closely, in looking at extraction issues.
This is sound advice. You can measure the length of the ejection port and post a picture. There is something about the shape of the port that often gives it away. I believe the giveaway is the radius at the forward edges of the ejection port, but it has been a long while since I checked into it. Someone should be able to tell you if your ejection port was enlarged, as was often done when 2 1/2" guns were re-chambered for 2 3/4".
Gunsmith said that proof mark off to side indicates Winchester had the Simmons rib added.
If the proof mark was on the top of the barrel, would Winchester reproof it and add proof mark on the side of the barrel?
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