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 Post subject: Retay Masai Mara thoughts
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:14 pm 
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Shopping for my first semi auto shotgun. I'm 58 and have hunted all my life and grew up with pumps. Mainly because I never could afford, or justify, spending the money for a semi auto. Ready to treat myself. The Retay Masai Mara is new in the U.S. Getting great reviews. Friends are saying it the up and coming new semi automatic. Has anyone used one and have an opinion?




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 Post subject: Re: Retay Masai Mara thoughts
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:44 pm 
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Not I, but I have two friends who have them, and can’t say enough good about them.


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 Post subject: Re: Retay Masai Mara thoughts
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:08 pm 
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You can buy a new Benelli Montefeltro for $700. A much more proven gun.

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 Post subject: Re: Retay Masai Mara thoughts
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:12 pm 
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Shopping for my first semi auto shotgun. I'm 58 and have hunted all my life and grew up with pumps. Mainly because I never could afford, or justify, spending the money for a semi auto. Ready to treat myself. The Retay Masai Mara is new in the U.S. Getting great reviews. Friends are saying it the up and coming new semi automatic. Has anyone used one and have an opinion?


I've tested six of them and currently own two. They are far better made than most Benelli's, with better triggers and a better action.


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 Post subject: Re: Retay Masai Mara thoughts
PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:14 pm 
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Smells fishy but I’ll answer.
My local shop has a few. They aren’t selling and don’t really show well next to better finished guns like Benelli and are perhaps more comparable (in terms of finish) to the Franchi.

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 Post subject: Re: Retay Masai Mara thoughts
PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:10 am 
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Inertia guns are fairly easy to field strip in the store. Take bolts and guts out and look at them. Do the same for a Benelli and compare. Make your own judgement. Benelli are currently overpriced relative to competition now that there patent protection has expired. Take the removable trigger out of the retry and look at it. I have handled and looked at them. I would not hesitate to buy one but have no need for a third inertia operated 12 gage. They start making a 20 and I might bite. Franchi affinity has recoil return spring on mag tube. If you are a waterfowl hunter I’d consider that an advantge.


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 Post subject: Re: Retay Masai Mara thoughts
PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:11 am 
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I’m also intrigued by them. I’m not an inertia guy persay, but they are attractive guns. I may eventually end up with one myself, unless a common flaw is discovered once they’ve been out for a while and hunted hard. Should you decide to get one, please make sure to post your thoughts on occasion, so those of us who are also interested can learn more about them.


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 Post subject: Re: Retay Masai Mara thoughts
PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:30 am 
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Who works on them? Easy to find parts?


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 Post subject: Re: Retay Masai Mara thoughts
PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:09 pm 
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1958jr wrote:
Who works on them? Easy to find parts?


I understand that Briley is the service center for Retay Arms.


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 Post subject: Re: Retay Masai Mara thoughts
PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:48 pm 
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I understand that Briley is the service center for Retay Arms.


That is correct and they have a lot of parts. No one seems to need them, though.

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 Post subject: Re: Retay Masai Mara thoughts
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:43 am 
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I just looked at a couple at my lgs. I thought they were a bit pricey at $1200 but that could just be at that store. They were nice looking guns and appeared finished nicely. They had a wood stocked version and a tactical version there that was real nice and would make a good turkey gun. It was light and had a scope rail but only an 18” barrel. Would like at least 20 personally. If the price was lower I would gamble on one.


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 Post subject: Re: Retay Masai Mara thoughts
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:04 am 
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My LGS is currently considering becoming a dealer. I am interested in the wood stocked model with the grey receiver, as I am set on waterfowl guns. My concern is that they won’t take off, and in a couple of years there won’t be any dealers in the States. I understand that Briley will service them, but what happens if Retay discontinues sales in the US, and Briley runs out of replacement parts? They appear to be well made shotguns, but there doesn’t seem to be much info on how durable they will be over time. The shotgun purchase I make this year will be a V3, however, I will likely be looking to purchase a Masai Mara next year. Hopefully by then there will be more reviews on them, and light will be shed on any flaws the gun may or may not have. I personally hope Retay is able to set up a strong dealer network in the US, and they gain a reputation for being as dependable as Benellis.


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 Post subject: Re: Retay Masai Mara thoughts
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:12 am 
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SHughes wrote:
My concern is that they won’t take off, and in a couple of years there won’t be any dealers in the States.




They already have taken off, world-wide. Retay is a very healthy company.

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 Post subject: Re: Retay Masai Mara thoughts
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:09 pm 
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That’s good to know Mr. Wakeman. I just haven’t seen any in my area, nor even heard about them until seeing your video review and reading a little about them here. They are impressive looking shotguns. There just aren’t any dealers anywhere in the area where I live yet where I can go lay hands on one.


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 Post subject: Re: Retay Masai Mara thoughts
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The more problematic guns can be the ones that are "spec guns" . . . imported in batches, then sold under names like Charles Daly, Traditions, Savage, H & R, and even Weatherby. If you are looking for Chinese Savage M37 parts, or even Weatherby Orion D’Italia II parts, you might be looking for a while.

If you do get a Retay 3 inch semi, there aren't that many parts to begin with. The trigger group comes out with the push of a button, all the barrels are interchangeable made from Böhler steel, the breech-bolts are interchangeable, the choke tubes are interchangeable, the shims are interchangeable, and right now . . . they are all 12 gauge. It is a modular, simple inertia design, with very few parts and those parts are mostly modular.

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 Post subject: Re: Retay Masai Mara thoughts
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:14 pm 
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Seeing as how the trigger group is something that is a new concept, I think that’s the main part I have reservations over. I know a trigger group with pins won’t suddenly fall out, but I wonder how this style trigger group with the button release will hold up over time and use. I do realize how simple the design is in reguards to inertia guns. Fewer parts usually does equal to fewer failures. The only other part of the gun that I have any question about is the bolt. The rotating bolt is a well tested design, but the spring added to it to help alleviate the issues with returning to battery is something I also wonder about. How will it hold up after the gun has had 20,000 rounds or so through it. Those are two of the features that make the gun intriguing to me, but the main two I have questions about. The other thing about them that has really caught my attention is how attractive the wood stocked guns look. I have never really cared for a wood stock gun, because of the guns that are in my budget usually don’t have such attractive furniture. I sure hope there aren’t many issues found in them over the next year. If there isn’t, I will be owning one.


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 Post subject: Re: Retay Masai Mara thoughts
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 1:33 pm 
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The trigger group is milled metal, not plastic. I actually prefer walnut and polished blue, in general and specifically for pheasant hunting. My favorite Masai Mara is a 24 inch polished blue / walnut. If you bought one two years ago, I suppose you could call that an 'early adopter' kinda sorta, but today . . . not so much.

They've made great progress in the last three years. I'll probably go to the factory this year in Turkey to see how they are made.

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 Post subject: Re: Retay Masai Mara thoughts
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:14 pm 
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The removable trigger is the answer to a question nobody asked. Any other brand it's two pins and you're out. What's the big deal with that?

The brands ability to find staying power will depend on whether they continue to market using PAID advertisers who masquerade as impartial reviewers. I personally will never purchase one thanks to these deceptive practices. On a more practical note the small price difference between these guns and the Benelli guns they want to compete with is simply not large enough to get real numbers of hunters to consider them. A lesser quality finish (I've handled this model in my LGS---it doesn't compare), price close enough to Benelli to be inconsequential, and dishonest marketing practices by 'experts' tells me the brands days will be limited.

I don't see the spring added to the rotating bolt as a negative. Replacing a simple spring now and again is no big deal. I personally have no issues with my M2 guns falling out of battery and consider it a non issue. I can see a grouse hunter going through ridiculously thick cover having a gripe with it but if that were a regular occurrence for me I'd just go gas and skip inertia altogether.

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 Post subject: Re: Retay Masai Mara thoughts
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 2:52 pm 
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Jacksdad, I can appreciate your point of view, but the price difference on the Masai Mara with a walnut finish compared to a walnut Benelli is fairly substantial. At least in my area. Sure, I can get an M2 American version around here for around $900, but it’s a black synthetic. If I were to own a Benelli, it would likely be an M2, as I do have experience shooting them and hit well with them.

As to the push button bolt release, I do think it’s a good concept. Sure, it isn’t difficult to remove a couple of pins to pull one out, unless they haven’t been removed in a very long time. I’ve also had to fumble with lining everything up, and getting the pins started in the holes. The process may only take a few minutes, but the push bottom trigger release is an advantage. I understand Mr. Wakeman’s point about the trigger group being all metal, but my concern isn’t with the durability of the trigger group itself. It’s the durability of the release mechanism. It would suck to be using the gun in the field, and the trigger group falls out. I can see a useful application for it, as well as the spring in the bolt. If the design changes prove to be durable, I don’t think anyone would argue that they are improvements over the Benelli design.


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 Post subject: Re: Retay Masai Mara thoughts
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:03 pm 
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The removable trigger is the answer to a question nobody asked. Any other brand it's two pins and you're out. What's the big deal with that?

The brands ability to find staying power will depend on whether they continue to market using PAID advertisers who masquerade as impartial reviewers. I personally will never purchase one thanks to these deceptive practices. On a more practical note the small price difference between these guns and the Benelli guns they want to compete with is simply not large enough to get real numbers of hunters to consider them. A lesser quality finish (I've handled this model in my LGS---it doesn't compare), price close enough to Benelli to be inconsequential, and dishonest marketing practices by 'experts' tells me the brands days will be limited.

I don't see the spring added to the rotating bolt as a negative. Replacing a simple spring now and again is no big deal. I personally have no issues with my M2 guns falling out of battery and consider it a non issue. I can see a grouse hunter going through ridiculously thick cover having a gripe with it but if that were a regular occurrence for me I'd just go gas and skip inertia altogether.


Can you be more specific regarding the "dishonest marketing practices"?




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