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 Post subject: SX1 or 1100?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:49 am 
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A not entirely hypothetical situation...

If presented with the opportunity to acquire at a similar price a field grade SX1 or a field grade 1100, both 12g, in good used condition and of similar age, with primary use to be skeet or sporting clays (maybe 2000 targets a year), which way would you go?

Major factors might be 1) felt recoil, 2) hassle associated with cleaning (and associated need for cleaning), 3) parts availability, 4) general durability, or other factors you might feel appropriate.

Thanks for the input.




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 Post subject: Re: SX1 or 1100?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:09 am 
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Win50 wrote:
A not entirely hypothetical situation...

If presented with the opportunity to acquire at a similar price a field grade SX1 or a field grade 1100, both 12g, in good used condition and of similar age, with primary use to be skeet or sporting clays (maybe 2000 targets a year), which way would you go?

Major factors might be 1) felt recoil, 2) hassle associated with cleaning (and associated need for cleaning), 3) parts availability, 4) general durability, or other factors you might feel appropriate.

Thanks for the input.


1100!


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 Post subject: Re: SX1 or 1100?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:37 am 
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Dr Duk wrote:

1100!


Thanks for the input, but I neglected to include that a rationale would also be appreciated.


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 Post subject: Re: SX1 or 1100?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:41 am 
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Win50 wrote:
Dr Duk wrote:

1100!


Thanks for the input, but I neglected to include that a rationale would also be appreciated.


Millions sold! Lots of parts available. Great gun!


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 Post subject: Re: SX1 or 1100?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 12:25 pm 
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Yeah, 1100 simply for the ease of finding repairs. And, it’s a very nice shooting shotgun.


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 Post subject: Re: SX1 or 1100?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 1:07 pm 
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Super X Model 1, great reliability, easiest to clean and maintain.
No, not as many parts available as the 1100 but they don't need as many.
When I used to shoot skeet with my SX-1, I had one malfunction in 20 years, about 85,000 rounds, and that was caused by a deformed shell.
My friends that used 1100's would always come onto the field with at least a spray can of oil to keep them functioning for 100 rounds. Some even brought a second spare to switch to when their first 1100 failed to function.

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 Post subject: Re: SX1 or 1100?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 1:26 pm 
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I have owned both and shot both quite a bit although more from an 1100 than the Super X 1. My preference for a target use gun would be the Winchester because in my hands it just felt more solid and balanced. I also felt that way when shooting it VS the model 1100. It was also cleaner operating than the 1100.

Initially, you need to change out a few parts on the Super X 1 to achieve maximum reliability and longevity but once done, it will take a lot of shooting to wear one to the point of unreliability. The amount you are talking about shooting won't adversely effect either model. I say try each out if you can, because IMO they handle and feel differently when shot. Good luck!


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 Post subject: SX1 or 1100?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:18 pm 
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As far as pointability and shooting, for me personally, I would give the edge to the 1100. As far as ruggedness and dependability I would give the edge to the SX1. My favorite? It’s a tie! In my years of owning both, the 1100 feed latch is the weakest part on the 1100. On the SX1, it’s the bolt buffer. Parts are more readily available for the 1100 and cheaper

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 Post subject: Re: SX1 or 1100?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:27 pm 
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1100. Winchester liked it so much they came out with a copy, the SX-1. If you get an SX-1 make sure you replace the defective original parts.

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 Post subject: Re: SX1 or 1100?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:41 pm 
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Thanks for the input. I'm decidedly partial to my Model 50 in 12g, even with its somewhat butt-heavy balance.

But in 20g I've been shooting an 1100-LW a lot recently due to a small shoulder issue and have come to appreciate that as well. At least in that model with my ammo, I haven't found a lot of jam issues with the 1100. I do tend to clean it every 500 rounds or so, but it isn't particularly burdensome.

oyeme wrote:

Initially, you need to change out a few parts on the Super X 1 to achieve maximum reliability and longevity but once done, it will take a lot of shooting to wear one to the point of unreliability. The amount you are talking about shooting won't adversely effect either model. I say try each out if you can, because IMO they handle and feel differently when shot. Good luck!


What kinds of parts swaps are suggested/recommended for the SX1?


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 Post subject: Re: SX1 or 1100?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:54 pm 
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Bolt buffer for sure. If the mag tube is blued steel, it is prone to rust if you aren’t good about cleaning the gun after use. Stainless steel and nickel plated ones are available. It’s very easy to change. On an 1100 it’s quite difficult. Locktite the set screw on the front of the rib it it has one and after several thousand rounds you might want to replace the aluminum follower with a steel one if it’s worn. Action spring is a maybe. The gun is very simple to work on.

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 Post subject: Re: SX1 or 1100?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:22 pm 
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I have to admit I'm leaning toward the SX1, While they're both classics, 1100s turn up a lot more frequently.

Does anyone happen to know if an SX1 barrel is thick enough to thread for choke tubes? It's a plain barrel (no rib).


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 Post subject: Re: SX1 or 1100?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:48 pm 
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Win50 wrote:
I have to admit I'm leaning toward the SX1, While they're both classics, 1100s turn up a lot more frequently.

Does anyone happen to know if an SX1 barrel is thick enough to thread for choke tubes? It's a plain barrel (no rib).


Yes the barrel can be fitted with thin wall chokes. What barrel (length-choke) is on the gun now ?


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 Post subject: Re: SX1 or 1100?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:40 pm 
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Win50 wrote:
I have to admit I'm leaning toward the SX1, While they're both classics, 1100s turn up a lot more frequently.

Does anyone happen to know if an SX1 barrel is thick enough to thread for choke tubes? It's a plain barrel (no rib).

My SX1's barrel is early enough that it has the screw at the muzzle end on the rib. It is also threaded for choke tubes.
As far as which gun to buy, I'd go with the SX1. I've owned several 1100's but have none left. I've owned one SX1 and still have it. Of the 1100's that have passed through my hands, the only one I've missed is the 1100 Competition. I'd like to have it back.


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 Post subject: Re: SX1 or 1100?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 4:42 pm 
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1100 for all the mentioned reasons even with Remington in so much trouble. Better resale value I would think also.

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 Post subject: Re: SX1 or 1100?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:46 pm 
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You should really try to shoot both. To me the 1100 feels more nimble and fits me perfectly. The SX1 in my hands is bulkier and still fits me nicely. On the SX1 Skeet and Trap models the fore end wood is quite large and a real hand full. Some don’t like it. The field models have a trimmer fore end wood which many prefer. One feature on the 1100 that I’ve never cared for is the bolt release button on the bottom in front of the trigger. The SX1 has the bolt release on the side of the receiver like most semi autos. Loading shells is a little easier on the SX1 in my opinion. Just lock down the shell lifter and stuff them in. On the 1100 you have to push down the shell lifter with each shell. Again, just my personal preference. You may feel differently. You really can’t go wrong with either. Just a matter of personal preference.

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 Post subject: Re: SX1 or 1100?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:19 pm 
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Rack-N-Roy wrote:

Yes the barrel can be fitted with thin wall chokes. What barrel (length-choke) is on the gun now ?


It says "Full" and is longer than I'd prefer - probably 29 or 30"

I stopped in the shop but left the bore gage in the other car. But no reason to believe it's not.


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 Post subject: Re: SX1 or 1100?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:13 pm 
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Check these out. Not mine in any way. The 3d link down looks to be a very clean gun. Good luck.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns- ... =101517919

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns- ... =101502039

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns- ... =101500434


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 Post subject: Re: SX1 or 1100?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:21 am 
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oyeme wrote:
Check these out. Not mine in any way. The 3d link down looks to be a very clean gun. Good luck.



Thanks. The one I'm looking at is in a local shop.


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 Post subject: Re: SX1 or 1100?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 8:02 am 
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Either will be reliable with good parts availability. Both will recoil about the same and have the same need for cleaning. The SX1 is much easier to clean.




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