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 Post subject: Which 3.5 pump Remington or Winchester SXP
PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:50 am 
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I need a 3.5 pump for saltwater hunting which do you think would be better older Remington 870 Super Mag matt finish or a New Winchester SXP with Max 5 finish and the finish doesn't really matter in this case. Both have 28 inch barrel.




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 Post subject: Re: Which 3.5 pump Remington or Winchester SXP
PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:11 am 
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Can only speak to the 870 Super Mag. Mine is a special purpose dedicated turkey gun manufactured in `05. I got it used, and the thing is an absolute tank. Solid as a rock and has performed faultlessly. Have no experience with the Winchester so can`t objectively compare. If you haven`t, try to do a functionality check on the 870 since it`s an older gun. Never had a problem with either of my 870s, the other being a `15 Express.

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 Post subject: Re: Which 3.5 pump Remington or Winchester SXP
PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 3:41 pm 
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BYD wrote:
I need a 3.5 pump for saltwater hunting which do you think would be better older Remington 870 Super Mag matt finish or a New Winchester SXP with Max 5 finish and the finish doesn't really matter in this case. Both have 28 inch barrel.


My youngest son and his friend go out and hunt ducks and geese, and my son used to use our 3” Benelli Super 90 until he discovered our Tristar Raptor 3” gun kicks him less.

His friend uses a Mossberg 935 Magnum that I cannot say too many things good about. It’s as reliable as a ball peen hammer using those hard kicking 3 1/2” loads and I’d prefer the gas operation to any pump, for shooting the big boomers.

I’ve had a 3 1/2” capable pump, and it only took one session shooting it to swap it off.

It was far too heavy for the light 2 3/4” loads I like, and not heavy enough to soak up the recoil of three inch loads, much less the Roman candle 3 1/2 inchers.

A gas gun is what is needed to shoot savagely hard kicking 3 1/2” shells, and from what I’ve seen Mossberg makes a good gas 3 1/2” 935 Magnum.

https://www.mossberg.com/category/series/935-magnum/

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 Post subject: Re: Which 3.5 pump Remington or Winchester SXP
PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 3:51 pm 
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SuperXOne wrote:
BYD wrote:
I need a 3.5 pump for saltwater hunting which do you think would be better older Remington 870 Super Mag matt finish or a New Winchester SXP with Max 5 finish and the finish doesn't really matter in this case. Both have 28 inch barrel.


My youngest son and his friend go out and hunt ducks and geese, and my son used to use our 3” Benelli Super 90 until he discovered our Tristar Raptor 3” gun kicks him less.

His friend uses a Mossberg 935 Magnum that I cannot say too many things good about. It’s as reliable as a ball peen hammer using those hard kicking 3 1/2” loads and I’d prefer the gas operation to any pump, for shooting the big boomers.

I’ve had a 3 1/2” capable pump, and it only took one session shooting it to swap it off.

It was far too heavy for the light 2 3/4” loads I like, and not heavy enough to soak up the recoil of three inch loads, much less the Roman candle 3 1/2 inchers.

A gas gun is what is needed to shoot savagely hard kicking 3 1/2” shells, and from what I’ve seen Mossberg makes a good gas 3 1/2” 935 Magnum.

https://www.mossberg.com/category/series/935-magnum/


Agree with SX1 when it comes to shooting 3.5s out of a pump gun....ANY pump gun! The first time I shot a 3" turkey load out of my 870 Super Mag, I thought I was going to have to rearrange my teeth to get them properly aligned again! I calmed it down with a slip on Limbsaver, so no problems now. There`s not a turkey on the planet that a 3" Hevi-13 or Longbeard XR won`t take down. I can`t imagine hating myself enough to shoot a 3.5 out of a pump!

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 Post subject: Re: Which 3.5 pump Remington or Winchester SXP
PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:17 pm 
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You guys are funny. 3 1/2's kick, but not that bad until you get into 3 1/2" turkey loads.

I shoot 3 1/2's out of my citori all day long hunting snow geese, sometimes 4-5 boxes of 1 3/8 or 1 1/2 oz steel. I also have a SX2, SX3 and SXP but I actually prefer the citori because I shoot it better and because I don't have to chase down empties 20 feet away. If a gun is beating you up it either doesn't fit or you aren't holding it correctly. My daughter likes the SX2 for goose hunting and she shoots the same loads I do.

I haven't shot my SXP a lot, it's basically a backup/loaner gun but it does take a bit to get use to shooting it. It basically automatically ejects shooting heavy loads as the recoil/shot brings the slide back and you just rack the slide back forward. The flaw in them in the plastic magazine throat, mine is still going but the brother in laws cracked and they are a pain in the rear to get off, but only 10 bucks to replace.

I would say the most reliable, currently produced 3 1/2" pump would be a bps or a mossberg with my preference being the bps due to it being a bit heavier and doesn't have the plastic a mossberg does in the trigger group. But the mossbergs are no doubt reliable and I have only seen one trigger group break on the mossy.


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 Post subject: Re: Which 3.5 pump Remington or Winchester SXP
PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:38 am 
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I shoot 3½" waterfowl shells in my Winchester SX2 for goose hunting. The gun is gas operated and somewhat heavy at 7¾ lbs., and the recoil isn't too bad. As southdakbearfan pointed out, 3½" turkey loads are another matter and kick hard. No way I'd do them in a fixed breech gun.


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 Post subject: Re: Which 3.5 pump Remington or Winchester SXP
PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:49 am 
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lossking wrote:
I shoot 3½" waterfowl shells in my Winchester SX2 for goose hunting. The gun is gas operated and somewhat heavy at 7¾ lbs., and the recoil isn't too bad. As southdakbearfan pointed out, 3½" turkey loads are another matter and kick hard. No way I'd do them in a fixed breech gun.


I touched a couple 2 3/8 ounce fiocchi turkey loads off in my citori. It’s 338 ultra mag level without a muzzle break kind of punch.


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 Post subject: Re: Which 3.5 pump Remington or Winchester SXP
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southdakbearfan wrote:
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I shoot 3½" waterfowl shells in my Winchester SX2 for goose hunting. The gun is gas operated and somewhat heavy at 7¾ lbs., and the recoil isn't too bad. As southdakbearfan pointed out, 3½" turkey loads are another matter and kick hard. No way I'd do them in a fixed breech gun.


I touched a couple 2 3/8 ounce fiocchi turkey loads off in my citori. It’s 338 ultra mag level without a muzzle break kind of punch.


That hurts just thinking about it! I hope you didn`t break your Citori!

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 Post subject: Re: Which 3.5 pump Remington or Winchester SXP
PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:42 am 
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Tidefanatic wrote:
southdakbearfan wrote:
lossking wrote:
I shoot 3½" waterfowl shells in my Winchester SX2 for goose hunting. The gun is gas operated and somewhat heavy at 7¾ lbs., and the recoil isn't too bad. As southdakbearfan pointed out, 3½" turkey loads are another matter and kick hard. No way I'd do them in a fixed breech gun.


I touched a couple 2 3/8 ounce fiocchi turkey loads off in my citori. It’s 338 ultra mag level without a muzzle break kind of punch.


That hurts just thinking about it! I hope you didn`t break your Citori!


Ouch! Or your shoulder. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Which 3.5 pump Remington or Winchester SXP
PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:58 am 
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lossking wrote:
Tidefanatic wrote:
southdakbearfan wrote:
lossking wrote:
I shoot 3½" waterfowl shells in my Winchester SX2 for goose hunting. The gun is gas operated and somewhat heavy at 7¾ lbs., and the recoil isn't too bad. As southdakbearfan pointed out, 3½" turkey loads are another matter and kick hard. No way I'd do them in a fixed breech gun.


I touched a couple 2 3/8 ounce fiocchi turkey loads off in my citori. It’s 338 ultra mag level without a muzzle break kind of punch.


That hurts just thinking about it! I hope you didn`t break your Citori!


Ouch! Or your shoulder. :lol:


:lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Which 3.5 pump Remington or Winchester SXP
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Nothing broke, on me or the gun, but I did do it twice just to make sure a shotgun could recoil that hard, or to prove I was an idiot.

I was scared to turkey hunt after that as I was positive that that much punch could take out a tank so turkeys must be highly dangerous game or that a tree might fall on me due to the concussive forces.


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 Post subject: Re: Which 3.5 pump Remington or Winchester SXP
PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:02 pm 
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southdakbearfan wrote:
Nothing broke, on me or the gun, but I did do it twice just to make sure a shotgun could recoil that hard, or to prove I was an idiot.

I was scared to turkey hunt after that as I was positive that that much punch could take out a tank so turkeys must be highly dangerous game or that a tree might fall on me due to the concussive forces.


That`s funny! Trust me, it doesn`t have to be that bad!

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 Post subject: Re: Which 3.5 pump Remington or Winchester SXP
PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:28 pm 
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I do not want to shoot 3.5" shells in any pump gun. Heck I dont even want to shoot them in a semi-auto. That being said, Mossberg makes the 835 pump 3.5" gun with an over bored barrel. Benelli makes the Super Nova with the recoil reducing stock on it. Browning also makes a BPS 3.5 inch gun. I would say the BPS is the highest quality gun in the bunch and I would rate the SXP as the lowest.

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 Post subject: Re: Which 3.5 pump Remington or Winchester SXP
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 4:04 am 
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Here’s a recoil chart for popular shotguns from Chuck Hawks:

Gauge, length (oz. [email protected]) Gun weight (lbs.) Recoil energy (ft. lbs.)
.410 bore, 2.5" (1/2 at 1200) 5.5 7.1
.410 bore, 3" (11/16 at 1135) 5.5 10.5
28 gauge, 2.75" (3/4 at 1200) 6.0 12.8
20 gauge, 2.75" (7/8 at 1200) 6.5 16.1
20 gauge, 2.75" (1 at 1220) 6.5 21.0
20 gauge, 2.75" (1 1/8 at 1175) 6.5 25.0
20 gauge, 3" (1 1/4 at 1185) 6.5 31.0
16 gauge, 2.75" (1 at 1220) 7.0 21.5
16 gauge, 2.75" (1 1/8 at 1240) 7.0 27.6
12 gauge, 2.75" (1 at 1180) 7.5 17.3
12 gauge, 2.75" (1 1/8 at 1200) 7.5 23.0
12 gauge, 2.75" (1 1/4 at 1330) 7.5 32.0
12 gauge, 2.75" (1 1/2 at 1260) 7.5 45.0
12 gauge, 3" (1 5/8 at 1280) 7.5 52.0
12 gauge, 3" (1 7/8 at 1210) 8.75 54.0
10 gauge, 3.5" (2 1/4 at 1210) 10.5 62.9

I handload some 1 1/2 ounce 2 3/4 inch lead loads using #4 shot.

They hurt to shoot very many, but not even close as much as a 3.5 inch load would hurt.:)

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 Post subject: Re: Which 3.5 pump Remington or Winchester SXP
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 5:18 am 
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Take a look at the Benelli Super Nova. The "ComforTech" stock really works. Randy W. reviewed it a while back.

http://randywakeman.com/BenelliSuperNovaReview.htm

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https://www.mossberg.com/category/series/935-magnum/[/quote]
...I can`t imagine hating myself enough to shoot a 3.5 out of a pump![/quote]
Agreed!


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HalfStop wrote:
https://www.mossberg.com/category/series/935-magnum/

...I can`t imagine hating myself enough to shoot a 3.5 out of a pump![/quote]
Agreed![/quote]


Obviously, choices are wonderful things to have, and I in no way am critical of anyone who shoots any gun, I`ve just never needed a 3.5" shell or a gun to shoot one, although I do have a gun that will. I never even shot a 3" shell in my life until just a very few years ago when I got back into turkey hunting!

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I see that the 3 1/3” 12 ga is missing on that list

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 Post subject: Re: Which 3.5 pump Remington or Winchester SXP
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 12:00 pm 
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My citori tips the scale at just over 8.5 lbs, fits me well and has a good recoil pad on it. I haven’t found a lot of difference between the recoil of it and the Winchester automatics which are right over 7 lbs.

But, if you don’t hold them correctly they will bite at you just like anything else.


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casonet wrote:
I see that the 3 1/3” 12 ga is missing on that list


Yes, and in the typical 7 or 7.5 lb. 12ga gun, the recoil of the heavier 3.5" loads is more than the 62.9 lbs. listed for a 10.5 lb. 10ga magnum. I read once that it's on the order of an elephant gun, like 70 or 80 lbs. Like I said earlier, 3.5" waterfowl loads are tolerable in my 7 3/4 lb. gas gun, but turkey loads jump to another level. In a fixed breech gun, no 3.5" shells for me.




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