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 Post subject: 12g vs 20g does it matter?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:43 pm 
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I've only shot a shotgun a few times and I loved it. I'm in the process of clearing some land so I can shoot in my back yard. I want to buy a gun that I can use and also my kids can use, my oldest is 12. I see that 12gauge ammo can go as low as 7/8oz at 980fps. With loads that light is there any benefit in going for a 20 gauge over a 12 gauge? I kept thinking go with a 20 gauge as the kick will be less and the will be easier for the kids to shoot. The day before Christmas a bunch of my co-workers and I went shooting and I was using 1oz at 1,100fps which were fine for me while over the summer with the cub scouts they we were using a 20 gauge that kicked more then the 12 gauges I was shooting. The 20 gauge was a bolt action and very old though and I'm not sure what shot we were using that day. So is there really a reason to go with a 20 gauge for less recoil with the commercially available light 12 gauge loads? Thank you for any guidance you can give me.




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 Post subject: Re: 12g vs 20g does it matter?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:08 am 
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A 12 ga. is the most versatile guage and easily grows right along with young shotgunners as their physical size changes, and as their interests may change as well. Trap, Sporting Clays, and many types of hunting are better served as 12 ga. pursuits than 20 gauge.

From 3/4 oz. very light "training" shells (reloads or otherwise); to 3 inch non-toxic waterfowl loads; and everything else in between; it's all available in 12 ga. An inexpensive, single stage reloader will enhance appropriate ammunition availability significantly.

Most kids old enough to start shooting can handle a light or average weight 12 guage about as well as a 20 gauge that often has heavier recoil and less versatility.

A 20 gauge gas autoloader is a close second as a versatile "starter" gun.

Recoil is an enemy of beginning shooters. Especially younger and or smaller framed shooters.

A used 1100 or other proven gas gun is a good choice. As well as a new V3 or Mossberg SA-20. A wood stock provides easy and economical alterations as shooter dimensions change. Youth model plastic or wood versions do as well and can be later replaced by adult sized butt stocks.

It would be hard to beat a walnut V3 if the kid's size and strength was appropriate. Economical, soft shooting, lifetime warranty, easy stock alterations, versatility, and good reviews. Just about the same benefits in the the walnut mossberg SA-20 if the shooter favored it or it was more appropriate for their size, weight, and handling/controlabilty.

You're in a good market that won't break the bank within your stated goals.

Good luck!


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 Post subject: Re: 12g vs 20g does it matter?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:46 am 
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^^^^Two excellent suggestions!^^^^^


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 Post subject: Re: 12g vs 20g does it matter?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:48 am 
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The issue won't be so much a 12 vs 20 issue as it will be a fit issue. Whichever bore size you go with, make sure the gun can be modified to accommodate the smaller shooters or the recoil will be extreme for them.

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 Post subject: Re: 12g vs 20g does it matter?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:40 pm 
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If you haven`t already, read up on the V3 Compact. Might just fit your needs, particularly with younger shooters involved.

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 Post subject: Re: 12g vs 20g does it matter?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:04 pm 
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Thanks for the input. To be honest I was looking more at pumps because I don't think any of the autos will cycle well with such a light load. I've talked with a few co-workers who shoot and I have to admit I shot the versa max and felt that had more kick then the over and unders I was shooting. I don't see the benefit of the autos as far as recoil. I know mathematically it should be less recoil but feeling it on my shoulder and talking to a few others there doesn't seem to be a benefit to shooting an auto for less felt recoil. Just bear in mind, my knowledge is limited and I've only talked to a few people.


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 Post subject: Re: 12g vs 20g does it matter?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:13 pm 
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Firemandivi wrote:
So is there really a reason to go with a 20 gauge for less recoil with the commercially available light 12 gauge loads? Thank you for any guidance you can give me.


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 Post subject: Re: 12g vs 20g does it matter?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:35 pm 
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Firemandivi wrote:
Thanks for the input. To be honest I was looking more at pumps because I don't think any of the autos will cycle well with such a light load.

That is a valid concern for some autos but most good semi autos will handle 1 oz upward without issue.

I've talked with a few co-workers who shoot and I have to admit I shot the versa max and felt that had more kick then the over and unders I was shooting. I don't see the benefit of the autos as far as recoil. I know mathematically it should be less recoil but feeling it on my shoulder and talking to a few others there doesn't seem to be a benefit to shooting an auto for less felt recoil. Just bear in mind, my knowledge is limited and I've only talked to a few people.


I will not question what you or a "few others" feel, but your combined experiences is truly unique IF the shells used were all identically loaded. You are definitely statistical outliers. IMO the only explanation is you shot a gas auto that definitely fitted each person very poorly.

In my specific case, the recoil I feel from firing 1 1/8 oz @ 1,200 fps in my Remington V3 (gas auto) is such that it is no issue whatsoever. The same shell in my O/Us will "rock my world"!

There are many excellent pumps available to you; whether you choose a Remington 870, Ithaca model 37 or Mossberg 500 as well as many others on used market. Good luck!


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 Post subject: Re: 12g vs 20g does it matter?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:26 pm 
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Again my experience is very limited, with my life time total of shooting a shotgun is not even equal to what most of you have shot in a single day. The shells I used in the versa max and the o/u where from the same box of shells I brought which I believe where 1oz at 1200 fps. Maybe it was the fit or I held it lose, I have very limited experience but its just what I felt. Also the versa max felt more front heavy then I liked compared to the o/u. If I had the money I would love to buy an o/u, that said I don't have that kind of money so I'm looking at the 870, nova or BPS. I'm hoping to go to a few gun shops and the local gun show and see how they fit and buy which ever fits me best.


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 Post subject: Re: 12g vs 20g does it matter?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:49 pm 
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That Remington V3 Compact looks like it might be a good option for a first shotgun for my 11 year old son. It seems that it only comes with the 22" barrel. Does anyone know if longer barrels are available for the V3, so that I can swap out the 22" as he grows? From what I can see, only a shorter, 18.5" barrel is available for purchase at this time.

I had originally thought to only look at 20g shotguns for him, but reading on this forum as well as seeing the shotgun recoil table on the Chuck Hawks site has led me to consider the 12g with very light loads. And I can use it as a backup/loaner gun when he outgrows it, too!

Anyone know about the V3 barrels? Thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: 12g vs 20g does it matter?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:06 pm 
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Firemandivi wrote:
… I see that 12gauge ammo can go as low as 7/8oz at 980fps. With loads that light is there any benefit in going for a 20 gauge over a 12 gauge? …


One difference is those 7/8 oz 12 gauge loads will cost you about $9.00 a box compared to $5.00 or $5.50 in 20 gauge.


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 Post subject: Re: 12g vs 20g does it matter?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:13 pm 
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The V3 is a magnificent choice… Most people tend to want to go with the pump gun because they are cheap but there is no way on gods green earth that the versa Max had more recoil than an over under. That is the softest shooting gun on the planet period and the v3 is right up there, perhaps Unnoticeably more.
I would definitely go with a 12 gauge over a 20 gauge for many of the reasons already discussed above.



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