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 Post subject: Ithaca shotgun grades
PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:38 am 
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I recently acquired an Ithaca flues Grade 2 double barrel manufactured in 1910 according to the serial number.
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As far as value it is worth what I paid or someone is willing to pay.

My question is does anyone have a description/definition of the various grades?

Field Grade, Grades 1, 2 ,3 4, etc...

What distinguishes each grade from the other grades?

I can figure out field grad is probably the basic model but I am not even sure if Grade 1 is a higher or lower grade than Grade 2, etc...

Any information would be appreciated




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 Post subject: Re: Ithaca shotgun grades
PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:18 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Ithaca shotgun grades
PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 5:37 pm 
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Thanks. This is the type of information I am looking for but it does not address Grade 2 or higher. I read somewhere the grade 1 1/2 was introduced to fill a gap in what consumers wanted. It balanced features and cost.


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 Post subject: Re: Ithaca shotgun grades
PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:05 pm 
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Additionally, there were grades between grades...…..

To wit: I have a Flues Grade 1S, which is a field grade (grade 1) "special" with different barrel material than a grade 1, and a little bit fancier wood.

Then there is also the Grade 1-1/2, which starts grades with engraving.

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 Post subject: Re: Ithaca shotgun grades
PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 7:29 pm 
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dgrinnan wrote:
Thanks. This is the type of information I am looking for but it does not address Grade 2 or higher. I read somewhere the grade 1 1/2 was introduced to fill a gap in what consumers wanted. It balanced features and cost.


Just a technicality, but Ithaca referred to Grades as "Quality". Also, the cataloged characteristics of each Quality were not held fast as many guns vary from the norm. I own a 1910 Flues stamped 1S that has fine Damascus barrels and factory 3" chambers. Anomalies exist.

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 Post subject: Re: Ithaca shotgun grades
PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:51 pm 
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So, as the number increased was it in theory a better grade?


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 Post subject: Re: Ithaca shotgun grades
PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:50 pm 
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In 1910, the Flues Model Ithaca doubles came in eleven grades -- Field Grade, No. 1 Special, No. 1, No. 1 1/2, No. 2, No. 2 Krupp Pigeon, No. 3, No. 4, No. 5, No. 6 & No. 7 -- going from a List Price of $30 to $400. Actual Net Prices $15.75 to $243. After WW-I, after the various composite iron and steel barrels had been phased out, the grades were reduced to Field Grade, No. 1, No. 2, No. 3, No. 4 No. 5, No. 6, No. 7 & a new higher grade the Sousa Special.


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 Post subject: Re: Ithaca shotgun grades
PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:03 pm 
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Additionally, there were grades between grades...…..

To wit: I have a Flues Grade 1S, which is a field grade (grade 1) "special" with different barrel material than a grade 1, and a little bit fancier wood.


Actually the No. 1 Special with its Cockerill Steel barrels was a cheaper gun, List Price $37.75 and the No. 1 with its Twist barrels was List Price $40. The Field Grade with its Smokeless Powder Steel barrels was List Price $30.


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 Post subject: Re: Ithaca shotgun grades
PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:13 am 
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That was a lot of variations for the Flues. I am making an assumption the variations were related to the type/grade of the barrel and the grade/quality of the stock in addition to ornamental engraving of the receiver? I have also seen a couple post that reference different metal used for the receiver?

My new Flues - it still needs cleaned up

The image option does not appear to be working so here is a link to the photos is anyone is interested.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/jY62yvEqhk4UfJCa8


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 Post subject: Re: Ithaca shotgun grades
PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:12 pm 
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The regular No. 2 in 1910 would have Damascus barrels --

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The No. 2 Krupp Pigeon --

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Just for reference here is a picture of a No. 7E Flues

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 Post subject: Re: Ithaca shotgun grades
PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:48 am 
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Thanks Researcher01? I took a closer look. It appears I have a Krupps Pigeon. My barrell is marked Krupps fluid steel.

At the time of manufacture was the Krupps Fluid Steel barrel considered superior to the Damascus barrel?




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