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 Post subject: Double barrelled shot gun from BELGIUM - ID- YEAR .
PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:15 pm 
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I recently lost my father who loved hunting, dogs, and good weapons. Thirty years ago he bought a Belgian double-barrel shotgun which he rarely used and hid it and said that this gun is very rare and he was proud of it. I also started to wonder about it but I could not find a brand and year of manufacture. Several gunsmiths, I went to, did not know to tell me anything. I thought the brand is E.L.G. but seeing your site, i realized that i was completely wrong !!

All I am sure of is that it is made in Belgium. So I kept looking until I found you, and apparently, you are the only hope to be able to identify the brand of the weapon and the year of manufacture. Please help me and thank you in advance !!




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 Post subject: Re: Double barrelled shot gun from BELGIUM - ID- YEAR .
PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:28 pm 
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See https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewto ... 5&t=232252

and post full size high resolution images of every mark on the barrel flats and action flats.
Is there no name on the rib or side of the frame?

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 Post subject: Re: Double barrelled shot gun from BELGIUM - ID- YEAR .
PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 8:31 pm 
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Welcome to SGW ! ! {hs#

As Drew alluded to, we are not clairvoyant, and need a full description of your "Belgian" shotgun - and, in most cases, close/clear pics are a great help.

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 Post subject: Re: Double barrelled shot gun from BELGIUM - ID- YEAR .
PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 3:15 am 
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Thank you very much for your interest and you are absolutely right, I sent photos to the email of (https://sites.google.com/a/damascusknow ... m/www/home), [email protected].

I believe these photos will help you to find a solution to my problem.

No there isn't any name on the rib or side of the frame and that is very strange.


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 Post subject: Re: Double barrelled shot gun from BELGIUM - ID- YEAR .
PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 2:45 pm 
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cNPAM6 ... onButton=1

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-Ypj1i ... onButton=1

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BjyLf2 ... onButton=1


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 Post subject: Re: Double barrelled shot gun from BELGIUM - ID- YEAR .
PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 2:59 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Double barrelled shot gun from BELGIUM - ID- YEAR .
PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 3:23 pm 
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The lettre annale is 1962

'JF' is likely Janssen Frères S.A. but I was not aware they were active after 1954.
http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20belge/ar ... s%20gb.htm

Cornell Pubs has a 1948 catalog reprint and the model might be listed
https://www.cornellpubs.com/old-guns/it ... em_id=3202

This mark is interesting and I do not recognize it. It may be that of the dealer? Ignore the Perron.

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 Post subject: Re: Double barrelled shot gun from BELGIUM - ID- YEAR .
PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:44 am 
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You are truly unique with amazing knowledge, and only you have helped me immensely!!

I ordered the list you sent me and I firmly believe that your opinion is complete.

The first question that still exists is that after the Company stopped its operation in 1948 when was the shotgun made ??

The second question I should ask you is if this list does not have this shotgun what else can be done ?? how can a common gunsmith in my country be convinced that this is his brand?

Where its brand should be written in the Double-barrelled shotgun? must be written parallel to the barrel below the same point that says made in Belgium ?? Can you send me a similar photo that you think is the right and authentic one ??

You can appreciate its value now ?? how much do you cost this shotgun in US ???


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 Post subject: Re: Double barrelled shot gun from BELGIUM - ID- YEAR .
PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:04 am 
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The lettre annale shows that the gun was proved in 1962

The gentleman who operates this site will provide (for a fee) a written opinion as to the Belgian maker: [email protected]

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 Post subject: Re: Double barrelled shot gun from BELGIUM - ID- YEAR .
PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:53 pm 
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A gun sleuth discovered the same mark, on another 1962 lettre annale gun
https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ub ... ber=592155

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 Post subject: Re: Double barrelled shot gun from BELGIUM - ID- YEAR .
PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:28 pm 
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I totally agree and thank you very much.

I will send you an email in a few days.
Have a nice day.


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 Post subject: Re: Double barrelled shot gun from BELGIUM - ID- YEAR .
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:30 pm 
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I have two small problems and I have to ask you about it:
I can not understand what you write about the year of construction (lettre annale) and which symbol is what characterizes the date of construction and why ?? So that I can explain it and certify it to the authorities of my country

I have a problem with Cornell Publications LLC, they do not send to my country the list you have suggested to me and so does eBay, unfortunately, the European Union is only for the Germans to sell and rule ...... can another solution be found ??


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 Post subject: Re: Double barrelled shot gun from BELGIUM - ID- YEAR .
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:36 pm 
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Show the authorities this, and a picture of the underlined lower case 'a' on the R barrel flats; which is the lettre annale for 1962

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 Post subject: Re: Double barrelled shot gun from BELGIUM - ID- YEAR .
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:14 pm 
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As usually impeccable and effective !! You are many light years ahead of some experts here ....

I have also sent an email as you told me about the opinion - confirmation of the gentleman who operates this site, and I am waiting for a response.

I hope everything goes well. All this, however, is done to keep the legacy of my father, who kept it with faith and devotion to his beliefs, without knowing ....

That's are some of our legacy thousands of years ago, but now ??

http://2gym-xylok.kor.sch.gr/grasep/gre ... _words.htm

GREEK ENGLISH FRENCH ITALIC GERMAN
ανάλυσις (-η) analysis analyse analisi Analyse
βιολογία biology biologie biologia Biologie
διάγνωσις (-η) diagnosis diagnose diagnosi Diagnose
μικρόβιο microbe microbio Mikrobium Mikrobium
μικροσκόπιο microscope mikroskope microscopio Mikroskop
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όργανο organ organe organo Organ
πένταθλο pentathlon pentathlon pentathlo Pentathlon
πρόγνωσις ( -η) prognosis prognoses prognosi Prognose
τεχνική technique technique tecnica Technik

The valuable contribution of the Greek language to the European languages.
The best and most reliable proof of the indisputable fact of this contribution to the European counterparts is nothing
more than the very facts and figures that testify to the “phenomenon”. The book by Aristedes Konstantinidis “
Greek words within British English” is very informative and enlightening. Aristedes Konstantinidis presents in his
book some astonishing figures. He states that out of 166.724 words include in the British dictionary, a total amount
of 41.214 words are of Greek origin and derivation. Even more astonishing, of course, is the amount of the

vocabulary related to medical and scientific terms; out of the 43.716 words included in the dictionary, 2o.346 are
actually of Greek origin and “root”. In effect, out of 178.903 British words, an amazing total of 51.807 ( i.e. 29.24%)
is actually derived from the Greek language.
Another renowned American linguist, Mrs. McDonald, states that the total amount of Greek words integrated into
The British vocabulary is nearly 600.000 words, that is 3,4 times more than the English ones and 4,3 than the French.

And, for the record, figures never “lie”.......


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 Post subject: Re: Double barrelled shot gun from BELGIUM - ID- YEAR .
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:16 pm 
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Grst wrote:
I can not understand what you write about the year of construction (lettre annale) and which symbol is what characterizes the date of construction and why ?? So that I can explain it and certify it to the authorities of my country


I'm curious where you are from and what you have to go through to certify a gun to authorities in your nation? Do you have to prove a gun's origins and register it in order to legally own it?

Thanks


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 Post subject: Re: Double barrelled shot gun from BELGIUM - ID- YEAR .
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:55 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Double barrelled shot gun from BELGIUM - ID- YEAR .
PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:01 am 
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Our nation has existed and survived for at least 30 centuries and has shed light on the language of culture, political science, the music of democracy, history, all sciences even nuclear physics and programming and computers and in space all the names have been given by the ancient Greek culture!
We participated in all the known and non-victorious wars! And we kept Europe and the whole known world then untouched by the monsters of Islam and jihadists and after 400 slavery and genocide and ethnic cleansing we managed fighting alone for 6 years to be liberated in 1827

In the most modern history, we have written with golden letters and rivers of blood the victories - resistances against Italian and German fascism and later against communism with civil wars. The epic of 1940 against fascism marked our lives, and while the Germans owe us Billion euros from the occupation loan and the war reparations they do not give them to us while with the Marshall Plan the USA gave them the money in 1952 to rebuild their country. ... Moreover, in Korea in 1952 we fought together and those of you who knew us understood why we have survived 30 centuries...

We are the country of the nation of two continents and five seas and together with Cyprus which is Greek and the Turks seized it in 1974 by invading with war and occupying 40% ....... we have the largest economic exclusive EEZ zone in Europe with huge deposits of natural gas, hydrates, and oil. But we have against us 100 million Muslim jihadists together with the Germans of the 4th Reich who help them and make us an economic-hybrid war .... we strongly resist all those intruders who want to destroy us and seize everything .... .....

Unfortunately, with the help of our politicians and traitors who have been in power for the last 40 years, the 4th Reich of the Germans and their few allies in the European Union managed to bring us the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank under the pretext that we owe a lot of money to their banks threw us into memoranda of understanding and programs poor and managed to change legislation

Always for their benefit .... saying that you owe everything together with your salvation to the European Union that they rule financially and politically and grabbed and made oligopolies and monopolies of their own as they did everywhere and all of Europe is in debt and they are getting rich. Only you arranged them fine with Siemens, Volkswagen group, deutse bank and many other scandals. We are hostages and we are trying to resist now after 11 years of memoranda and our forced austerity....
we are bound by what our traitorous politicians have signed for at least another 60 years ... What the Germans could not do with the world wars they have managed for ten years now with the economic war and the traitors all over Europe ... ..

So a new law passed by the Germans all over Europe concerns all hunting weapons that are registered before 2020 !!!

Τhat's what Churchill had said about us:
Winston Churchill said ‘Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks’?




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