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 Post subject: Need Help Identifying Old Single Shot 16 Ga with No Markings
PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2021 10:55 pm 
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Hello all,

I recently picked up an old single shot, break action 16 ga shotgun with a long forend and no discernible markings anywhere on it. The only stamping I could find on it was a serial number (18959) on the receiver and a serial number on the barrel (959). My guess would be that the 18 on the receiver might be a year code but I have no idea. Any help identifying this old girl would be greatly appreciated.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help Identifying Old Single Shot 16 Ga with No Mark
PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:40 am 
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Welcome to SGW ! ! {hs#

I found other shotguns like yours online (google: 1888 break-open single shot shotgun) that likewise are unmarked, but one of them had an 1888 patent date stamped into it.

https://www.gunsamerica.com/919273314/a ... Barrel.htm

IDK the maker, but the patent date suggests it's a blackpowder-only shotgun.

Since steel composition changed after the introduction of the much more powerful smokeless powder several years after the patent date, shooting modern/smokeless shotshells can be very dangerous.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help Identifying Old Single Shot 16 Ga with No Mark
PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:41 pm 
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Thanks for the response and the lead. The receiver in the link you posted looks spot on. I wonder if the long forend on mine was original to the gun or something that was modified later on. The release on it is about halfway down the barrel so that makes me sort of think original but I supposed it could’ve been soldered or brazed on later too. Mine isn’t in the greatest shape but I wonder what the value on such a gun might be.


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 Post subject: Re: Need Help Identifying Old Single Shot 16 Ga with No Mark
PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:23 pm 
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IME & IMO, the value would be minimal.....

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 Post subject: Re: Need Help Identifying Old Single Shot 16 Ga with No Mark
PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:44 pm 
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The seller in the linked ad either misread the Patent Date, or it isn't a U.S. Patent. In July 1888, U.S. Patents were issued on the 3rd, 10th, 17th, 24th and 31st.

The guns look a lot like guns pictured in large dealer catalogs in the 1880s and 90s as "Champion" --

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I have never made a firm connection with the later models of Iver Johnson Champion single barrels.




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