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 Post subject: Re: Timeline for the Browning Auto 5 1903 – 1940
PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:08 am 
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My 1929 12 gauge A-5 #151xxx has only a Browning Arms Company Ogden Utah barrel stamp. When did St. Louis get added?

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 Post subject: Re: Timeline for the Browning Auto 5 1903 – 1940
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:53 am 
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SuperXOne wrote:
My 1929 12 gauge A-5 #151xxx has only a Browning Arms Company Ogden Utah barrel stamp. When did St. Louis get added?

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Hi SuperXone,

thAnks for your friendly words.

According to Shirley/Vanderlinden, the St. Louis address was added in 1929:

BROWNING ARMS COMPANY OGDEN UTAH AND ST LOUIS MO

In 1930, the barrel address changed to:

BROWNING ARMS COMPANY ST LOUIS MO

But (what is the "golden rule" on A5s): no rule without exception. Recently, there was an interesting discussion re. an A5, #170,373 (made in 1930) still having the Ogden/Utah barrel address (only):

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=229773

So, there was an intermediate (mix-up) period where all three styles of barrel addresses appeared.

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 Post subject: Re: Timeline for the Browning Auto 5 1903 – 1940
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:50 pm 
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Hello. I won this auction on gunbroker. Would you assume that this is a 1913 gun from serial 40371. Looks like type 2 buttplate. Looks like later barrel, as I can see the post 1924 stamp. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =186181533 Thank You, Tom


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 Post subject: Re: Timeline for the Browning Auto 5 1903 – 1940
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:00 pm 
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Welcome Tom to the wonderful and strange world of early A-5's.

Looks to me like you got a nice deal. Unfortunate about the poly choke, but it will make for a fine shooter.

Post more pics when you receive the gun, that will help the gurus pin things down better.


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 Post subject: Re: Timeline for the Browning Auto 5 1903 – 1940
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:24 pm 
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Tijeras_Slim wrote:
Welcome Tom to the wonderful and strange world of early A-5's.

Looks to me like you got a nice deal. Unfortunate about the poly choke, but it will make for a fine shooter.

Post more pics when you receive the gun, that will help the gurus pin things down better.

Yeah. Those chokes are ugly but I didn't worry about it for the price. I have many Browning and Remington squarebacks. None this early. I do like the front safety better than the crossbolt ,as I shoot lefty. Will be interested to see if it has square or round recoil spring. Thanks Tom


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 Post subject: Re: Timeline for the Browning Auto 5 1903 – 1940
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:20 pm 
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The pre-WWI guns are special. I have a 1914 16 ga. that's a real joy.

Glad you're here, and expanding the base of knowledge.


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 Post subject: Re: Timeline for the Browning Auto 5 1903 – 1940
PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:11 pm 
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Wheaton-Special,

Actually the gun is a 16 ga. and that would make it somewhere after July 1925.

Good Luck with it,

Will Gurton


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 Post subject: Re: Timeline for the Browning Auto 5 1903 – 1940
PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 2:37 am 
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Fowlgunner wrote:
Wheaton-Special,

Actually the gun is a 16 ga. and that would make it somewhere after July 1925.

Good Luck with it,

Will Gurton

Good eye, Will. I should have paid more attention. I do see the cutoff against the forearm, and the barrel extension, and that explains the post 1924 chamber stamp. Now that you mention it. hehe. Oh well ! Think I should convert it to 2 3/4 or leave it alone? That Herters choke is swaying towards conversion. Later, Tom


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 Post subject: Re: Timeline for the Browning Auto 5 1903 – 1940
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:03 am 
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Bumping to the top for a new member to find.


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 Post subject: Re: Timeline for the Browning Auto 5 1903 – 1940
PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:30 pm 
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Sauerfan- just wanted to say thank you for your work. Huge help to a new owner of a 1926 A5 16G. Many thanks, my friend.

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 Post subject: Re: Timeline for the Browning Auto 5 1903 – 1940
PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:44 am 
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I just want to thank you so very much Martin for excellent worked done!!!!!
Just won an auction in Sweden of 96xxx A5 12 gauge. Thanks to you I found out that my, to my big
surprise, my first shotgun was from 1927. Thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: Timeline for the Browning Auto 5 1903 – 1940
PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:21 pm 
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articblomma wrote:
I just want to thank you so very much Martin for excellent worked done!!!!!
Just won an auction in Sweden of 96xxx A5 12 gauge. Thanks to you I found out that my, to my big
surprise, my first shotgun was from 1927. Thanks!


Hi articblomma,

you're welcome! I guess, you will enjoy your A5, especially, when you will have replaced the damaged foreend .... and I guess, it's damaged because of the aluminum (?) band wrapped around the rear end....

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 Post subject: Re: Timeline for the Browning Auto 5 1903 – 1940
PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:11 am 
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Hi Martin!

You don´t only have good information about the past, but also about today!!!
Yes the forehand has cracks hiden by the band and also I belive the rear end of the compensator is missing.

Are you a Swede as well?

Yours truly

articblomma


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 Post subject: Re: Timeline for the Browning Auto 5 1903 – 1940
PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:30 pm 
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Are you a Swede as well?

Yours truly

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Hi articblomma,

no, I'm not a Swede, but German. But I bought some guns in the past from said auction house and I'm checking their side every May and November.... :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Timeline for the Browning Auto 5 1903 – 1940
PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:43 pm 
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I've been saying the same thing for months about making this a sticky. At least with a reply it will go back to the front again.


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 Post subject: Re: Timeline for the Browning Auto 5 1903 – 1940
PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:07 pm 
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I PM'd the moderator when it was first posted. Apparently, the Browing forum is a bit "sticky heavy" which is apparently a problem.

I figure that we can just bump it to the top on a weekly basis. I'll volunteer.

Martin deserves a great deal of thanks for this work.


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 Post subject: Re: Timeline for the Browning Auto 5 1903 – 1940
PostPosted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 10:15 am 
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Amazing information Martin! As the proud new owner of a 1926 A5 16 ga, I am enthralled at the historical info you have provided. However, I must admit I am confused by the disconnect between SN dates and the date stamp letters. Mine has an "R" above the serial number 51***. Browning customer service told me 1926 which jives with the SN info you provided. What does the "R" tell us?


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 Post subject: Re: Timeline for the Browning Auto 5 1903 – 1940
PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:52 am 
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Hi charlie94,

the „R“ (with a star above it) is the inspector’s initial and not a date code. The “R” is present on my 1930 made A5 (12 ga) also. The date code is a cursive small letter present on the barrel only. The date code for 1926 is an “e” (cursive). Check this fine list here:

http://damascus-barrels.com/Belgian_All_Proofmarks.html

You’ll note in this list the initials of the proof inspectors also and will note, the “R” stands for Sylvain Wagemans, who was a inspector (controller) between 1951 – 1965. Don’t be confused – as far as controller’s initials are concerned, the list is not complete. As I said: in the time frame the “R” is quiet normal.

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 Post subject: Re: Timeline for the Browning Auto 5 1903 – 1940
PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:53 pm 
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thanks Martin for clarifying that. I was afraid my new pride and joy wasn't as antique as it first appeared. I dropped her off at a gunsmith to be thoroughly cleaned up, so when I get her back I will check the barrel for the "e" from 1926 and post some pics as well. Browning customer service also told me that I can get a letter from their Historian that will further authenticate the date of manufacture and where it was shipped to after production. Im so excited to have found this beautiful 85 year old 16 ga.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:12 pm 
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Outstanding Post!!!




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