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 Post subject: Re: Browning A5 16 Gauge Serial Number Date Guide
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:25 am 
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Agreed, no steel. Why tear up your nice gun?




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 Post subject: Re: Browning A5 16 Gauge Serial Number Date Guide
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:57 am 
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The barrel damage done to an old A5 will be initially undetectable. It will have an accumulative effect with each shot. Some have been deceived by shooting steel shot for several seasons with no noticeable damage. I am not aware of a catastrophic failure from steel shot. I do own an A5 that has a hardly noticeable bulge on the end of the barrel. I have another with a moderate barrel bulge. I and others here have seen pictures of severe barrel bulging caused by steel shot. This happens due to shot being harder than the barrel.

And welcome to the club. Caution - A5 collecting may cause blindness...I slowed down when I needed glasses.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A5 16 Gauge Serial Number Date Guide
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:29 pm 
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Ok, no steel. But how about Bismuth or tungsten? Is it possible to shoot any non toxic shot through an A5 16ga.? I would like to use these beauties on a limited basis for their intended purpose while preserving and admiring. I can't wait to shoot them both, but I have high hopes for the 24 1/2" with the fixed modified! My gosh does it feel good! I must be an idiot because I can't figure out how to attach some pictures. :|


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A5 16 Gauge Serial Number Date Guide
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:38 pm 
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Bismuth and tungsten should work just fine.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A5 16 Gauge Serial Number Date Guide
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:18 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Browning A5 16 Gauge Serial Number Date Guide
PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:32 pm 
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Hi 4stfire,
Outstanding guns!! Thanks for the pics. They made me sit up straight. That Sweet is very sweet. The standard X Series 3 Shot looks to be in excellent condition. I have one exactly like it. Very nice and very rare. How is it choked? Can you weigh it?

What part of the country are you from? Your finding these two at bargain prices makes me want to make the rounds here again.

Thanks for the posts.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A5 16 Gauge Serial Number Date Guide
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:38 pm 
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I'm in CO, so you're close to the same market... Looks like a 27" barrel and she weighs in at 7.08. The butt plate is not factory and I would like to get back to that if possible. I know of the black plastic replacement butt plate, are there any legit Browning plates to be had? who is the keeper of the NOS Browning parts? I've sent Art an email in MO. thanks for the chatter, exciting times for this Nube!


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A5 16 Gauge Serial Number Date Guide
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:40 pm 
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Sorry Goad, full choke.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A5 16 Gauge Serial Number Date Guide
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:08 pm 
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Welcome to the group, 4stfire! Very nice guns, too bad about the buttplate. If Art doesn’t have a nice one you might try eBay. FN switched to plastic in the early ‘60’s, so finding a new one is unlikely.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A5 16 Gauge Serial Number Date Guide
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:52 pm 
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4stfire wrote:
...she weighs in at 7.08.


That is very close to a Sweet Sixteen.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A5 16 Gauge Serial Number Date Guide
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:19 pm 
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Great Ebay idea Rudolph31, they've got a ton on there. Before I start asking folks for dimensions and maybe an outline what does the buttplate on a 3 shot look like? Goad, you got a picture for me to look at? BTW, put Bismuth on some ducks yesterday, shot great! With the price of Bismuth I can't afford to miss very often so this gun is going to make me a better shooter I think. The brass bead popped off so that will need fixed. Never had that happen before.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A5 16 Gauge Serial Number Date Guide
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:41 pm 
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There is no distinction between models and butt plates. The butt plates changed over the years for the A5 but not specific to any model. When they changed it was for all A5. I’m on the road but can send a pic from my 3 Shot album on my home computer.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A5 16 Gauge Serial Number Date Guide
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:00 am 
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Hi,
Maby in wrong place but all here is about 16g A5:s so if someone have the correct info im glad.
Short : im from Sweden and i have bought all my A5:s from German ( egun.de) and my question is
About the exact choke constriction for A5 16g , i have read somewear a 16g need less constriction vs a 12g Thrue or false ?? I have now 4 16g of a total of 5 i have owned and i also have 1 spare barrel.
All have been Stamped * = and 3 of them had the 0,40 constriction ( 1,00mm for me ) Lately i have purshased a well used -64 sweet and a spare sweet barrel both Stamped * , none of them had the 0,40 constriction and not the same bore size, one is 16,7mm and one 16,8mm. Both is wery close in the mussle end ( 16,00 - 16,02mm ) offcourse the 16,8 shoot wisible tighter also confirmed on paper. Chokes on both are well polished and if it's an aftermarket job it looks good.

/ Peter


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A5 16 Gauge Serial Number Date Guide
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:35 am 
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Hi Peter, You are in the right place for anything A5 in 16ga. I am not an A5 mechanic but Rudolph is our resident trusted in-house go to guy. I am sure he will have an opinion about your observations.

I am curious about how your Superlight is holding up? Are you still using it in the field regularly?

Thanks for the post


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A5 16 Gauge Serial Number Date Guide
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:59 pm 
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Hello Peter, we’ve missed you here. Are you still taking your shotguns swimming?

As far as your questions are concerned, the short answer is I don’t know. But since Goad raised expectations I did a little research. One source quoted a .035” constriction for a Full Choke, gauges 10 - 20. Briley says .035” on the 12, but .021” for the 20. Still another quotes .040” for the 12. But NOBODY quotes a figure for the 16 gauge, not that it would be very useful.

My opinion is that new ammunition shoots tighter than the old ammo without shot cups did and choke constrictions across the board have lessened. This leads to the disappointing advice to pattern your gun with the ammo you intend to use at the range you intend to shoot it. If you’re modifying your barrels I’d go slowly.

Wish I could be of more help.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A5 16 Gauge Serial Number Date Guide
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:05 pm 
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Thanks Rudolph. You never disappoint. Your knowledge, insight, opinion, advice and instruction is welcome, helpful, and appreciated.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A5 16 Gauge Serial Number Date Guide
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:52 am 
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Thank you very much, Goad. But you give me way too much credit.

Peter, I get home tonight so tomorrow I’ll get the calipers out and check the Chokes on my 16’s.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A5 16 Gauge Serial Number Date Guide
PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:11 am 
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Goad wrote:
Hi Peter, You are in the right place for anything A5 in 16ga. I am not an A5 mechanic but Rudolph is our resident trusted in-house go to guy. I am sure he will have an opinion about your observations.

I am curious about how your Superlight is holding up? Are you still using it in the field regularly?

Thanks for the post


Hi Goad
It wasnt a thrue superlight, becouse recivier is steel. It have everything a sweet have
Exept crincle finish and ” sweet sixteen” engraved, and yes i use it regular for Golden eye hunt i feed it with 1 1/8” oz :5 lead @ 1300-1330 using european components an powder.
I dont want bring my fine -64 sweet for this time of season.
I also use regular with target steel loads of 26gram :7 @ 1330fps i have run a couple of thousands for sure , but first i open the choke to light mod 0,15”
I now you dont like shoot steel for target over there but for us its law , same as for you
With no tox for waterfowl ..

/Peter


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A5 16 Gauge Serial Number Date Guide
PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:33 am 
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Rudolph31 wrote:
Hello Peter, we’ve missed you here. Are you still taking your shotguns swimming?

As far as your questions are concerned, the short answer is I don’t know. But since Goad raised expectations I did a little research. One source quoted a .035” constriction for a Full Choke, gauges 10 - 20. Briley says .035” on the 12, but .021” for the 20. Still another quotes .040” for the 12. But NOBODY quotes a figure for the 16 gauge, not that it would be very useful.

My opinion is that new ammunition shoots tighter than the old ammo without shot cups did and choke constrictions across the board have lessened. This leads to the disappointing advice to pattern your gun with the ammo you intend to use at the range you intend to shoot it. If you’re modifying your barrels I’d go slowly.

Wish I could be of more help.


Hi , i read this section reguarly
No more swimming ;-) and that old -53 is sold after i finally figure out the jam was coused by a replacement recoil spring ( hardening defect) for the moment i let them be and i use them for sniping cripples on water. I have tried find where i read 16g need less constriction..
Im in no rush becose today i have four 16 a5:s plus a spare barrel .
My sweet -64 and my -69 Light 16 is 0,15” my standard 16 is 0,20” and my second sweet -64 is 0,30+ ( 0,80mm) and spare sweet barrel is 0,25- ( 0,70mm) this will cover the most of my needs.
/Peter


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 Post subject: Re: Browning A5 16 Gauge Serial Number Date Guide
PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:51 pm 
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Well, I measured the chokes on three 16’s, sort of. The readings differed depending on where I put the calipers. Sometimes they were a few thousands different when I put them in the same place. For the record, I inserted them as far as they would go — about a half inch down the muzzle with the calipers laying flat on the crown. (Do shotgun barrels have crowns?) That said, I took the average of the most consistent readings.

First was a circa 1911 16. The barrel diameter was marked 16.8 and I measured the choke as .610”. Thats 15.5mm for a constriction of 1.3mm.

Next was the 1924 marked 17.2. .615” or 15.6mm makes a 1.6 constriction.

Finally there’s the 1938 Sweet. 16.8, .625” or 15.9mm equals .9mm. This one is marked Modified.

Those seem to be some pretty tight chokes, much more than I thought.




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