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 Post subject: Wartime American Browning
PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:38 am 
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I have an an American made 20 Ga Browning Auto-5 (2 3/4") that was made by Remington
for Browning when the FN factories were occupied by enemy forces during WW2. As far as I can tell the serial numbers start at 229,000 for the 1946 guns and work up from there. As far as the wartime guns go (1941-1945) I am having difficulty finding out when mine was made. My gun is a plain barrel 20 GA fixed modified ser #C12XXX. I have been told this may put the date of manufacture closer to 1941, but I have no solid information to back this up. The gun is in great shape and I use it for chukkar and pheasant hunting along with my 1966 light 12 plain barrel fixed modified that I use on the tower hunts. I have a variety of shotguns that I can use and my friends have even more. Sometimes they will rib me about being old school and using these guns, but I love the way they feel and shoot. if anyone can help me pinpoint the date of manufacture on my 20 GA I would really appreciate it.




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 Post subject: Re: Wartime American Browning
PostPosted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:51 am 
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Have you tried the Remington website? There is an interactive chat feature that you can ask questions such as DOM.

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 Post subject: Re: Wartime American Browning
PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:18 am 
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It should have a Remington Date Code on the barrel. Check that out. two or three uppercase letters


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 Post subject: Re: Wartime American Browning
PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:31 pm 
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Your gun was probably made in 1946, I have #C123xx and it was made that year. But the barrel code is what you need to check out. Here's how to interpret the code: https://www.remingtonsociety.org/manufacture-dates/


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 Post subject: Re: Wartime American Browning
PostPosted: Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:44 pm 
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That BLACKPOWDER thing isn't always accurate.

I had a Nylon 66 with a 'K I' barrel code, which dates it either May of 1976 or May of 1988.

In May of 1976 I was in college and I owned that gun at least a year before going to college.

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 Post subject: Re: Wartime American Browning
PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:22 am 
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The old Remington factory ledger from between the wars ends when production stopped in favor of war production. By February 21, 1942, the highest serial number receiver to have been put into production was C10735, and that remained the number to the last entry June 20, 1942. So, that would indicate that C12xxx would be post-war.

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As far as I can tell the serial numbers start at 229,000 for the 1946 guns and work up from there.


That doesn't make any sense. 229000 would be a 12-gauge Model 11 from November 1920.


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 Post subject: Re: Wartime American Browning
PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:27 pm 
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Flues16 wrote:
Your gun was probably made in 1946, I have #C123xx and it was made that year. But the barrel code is what you need to check out. Here's how to interpret the code: https://www.remingtonsociety.org/manufacture-dates/


From some of the things that I have read Remington produced these guns from 1940 to 1949. Serials numbers for the 20 GA started at #5,000. Approximately 13,000 of the 20 GA guns were produced. If 13,000 guns were produced over a 10 year period at an average of 1,300 guns per year X 6 years = 7,800 guns made by 1946. 7,800 + the initial #5,000 serial number would equal serial #12,800 thru 1946. I understand the first few years and the last few years of a product life cycle typically see lower numbers, I am just a numbers nerd rambling on. I did not think to check (nor look for) the date code on the barrel. I will do that tonight when I get home from work.


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 Post subject: Re: Wartime American Browning
PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:35 pm 
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From mid-1942 to 1946 the only shotguns Remington was making were 12-gauge Model 11, Sportsman and Model 31s for the government.

A barrel date code is when the barrel was made. It could have been put on a shotgun immediately or languished in a parts bin for some time.


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 Post subject: Re: Wartime American Browning
PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:51 am 
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OK i took some pics and I will attempt to post them. I hope they come out. The gun is in pristine condition and I still shoot pheasants and chukkars with it all the time. I still do not know what the barrel marks mean. If anyone can tell me about them that would be great.

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 Post subject: Re: Wartime American Browning
PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:23 pm 
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Yes, that gun is in very nice condition.

BRR (seen in your second picture) indicates the barrel was made in January 1946. As has been pointed out, that is when the barrel was made, it could have been put on a gun that month or at a later time.

My 20 gauge American Browning #C123xx has barrel code ARR indicating the barrel was made in March 1946. The gun itself could have been made later.


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 Post subject: Re: Wartime American Browning
PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:33 pm 
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That is a lovely old gun! The fact that it is a 20 gauge makes it that much more appealing to me! Perfect for pheasants, chukars like you say, plus doves and many other flying & fur critters. You are correct in using it! Those that rib you about that just have no class. {hs# :lol:




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