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 Post subject: Re: Browning Superposed Question
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:34 pm 
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My lack of knowledge is about to shine.
What makes a trap gun a trap gun ? what is the Broadway part ?
I actually like the wide rib, and think I can live with the 32" barrels.
Thanks for the help.



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 Post subject: Re: Browning Superposed Question
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jusanothajoe wrote:
My lack of knowledge is about to shine.
What makes a trap gun a trap gun ? what is the Broadway part ?
I actually like the wide rib, and think I can live with the 32" barrels.
Thanks for the help.


It is the parallel comb stock on them allowing for a higher POI.
Also those Broadways were usually choked tight. IM on the lower and
Full on the top which is a typical stack barrel Trap choke arrangement to this day.
The Broadway part is the wide rib on top. I can only surmise it helped dissipate
heat waves off the barrel better than standard width ribs.
Trap gun ribs today are much higher than then for a more comfortable
heads up stance.

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 Post subject: Re: Browning Superposed Question
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:42 pm 
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They were called a Broadway because of the 5/8 inch or so wide rib running the full length of the barrels.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning Superposed Question
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:38 pm 
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The biggest distinction between Trap, Skeet, and Field models in the 1960's was stock dimensions and forearm styles.

12ga standard dimensions
Hunting =2-1/2" x 1-5/8" x 14-1/4" with 'field' style forearm - butt plate
Skeet = 2" x 1-1/2" x 14-3/8" - also with 'field' forearm* - butt plate
Trap = 1-3/4" x 1-3/8" x 14-3/8" with 'trap' (semi-beavertail) forearm* - Recoil pad

*until 'new-style' Skeet beavertail forearm profile starting in 1968

'Parallel' combs (i.e., parallel with sight plane or same drop at heel and comb) were special order only. I have a 1962 FN B2 30" xf/m with a factory 1-1/2" parallel Monte Carlo comb stock. The 1954 FN D5 30" xf/f sk/sk Combo is also 1-1/2" parallel comb.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning Superposed Question
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:51 pm 
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If you examine a Broadway rib you will see a center line the length of the rib and grooves cut perpendicular to that line . If memory serves , that was to reduce glare and keep your eye focused down that centerline.
Anatidae , If I have the timeline correct , the Broadway came out in ‘61 and both the BW and lightening had the flat knob on the stock ? Previously there was little difference between the trap and the field guns ( grip wise ) ?


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 Post subject: Re: Browning Superposed Question
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 9:12 pm 
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Broadway in '61.....yes

Previously......yes.......pistol grips on trap and field models were round knob (Browning guns). There were exceptions on FN D-Grade Trap models in the '50's.
Trap models had 'flat' or square knob grips (SK) beginning in 1960
Field & Skeet models had 'round' knob grips (RK)- until '68 or so - then became square knob.

BW (16mm) or standard (8mm) ribs available on 'Lightening' model Trap guns
(Standard weight Trap model re-introduced in 1955 was dropped in 1960)

I believe the only standard weight 12ga's that remained, were the 'Hunting' and 'Magnum' models and I think the Std. weight 'Hunting' was only available in Gr I. Don't make me lie.

But there are some crazy variations in the 1960 transition period. i.e., a 1961 'Lightening' model 'field' configuration Midas with special order 28" Std. weight 3" 'Magnum' barrels (proof-stamped 12-75). That guy knew exactly what he wanted.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning Superposed Question
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:17 pm 
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Anatidae wrote:
The biggest distinction between Trap, Skeet, and Field models in the 1960's was stock dimensions and forearm styles.

12ga standard dimensions
Hunting =2-1/2" x 1-5/8" x 14-1/4" with 'field' style forearm - butt plate
Skeet = 2" x 1-1/2" x 14-3/8" - also with 'field' forearm* - butt plate
Trap = 1-3/4" x 1-3/8" x 14-3/8" with 'trap' (semi-beavertail) forearm* - Recoil pad

*until 'new-style' Skeet beavertail forearm profile starting in 1968

'Parallel' combs (i.e., parallel with sight plane or same drop at heel and comb) were special order only. I have a 1962 FN B2 30" xf/m with a factory 1-1/2" parallel Monte Carlo comb stock. The 1954 FN D5 30" xf/f sk/sk Combo is also 1-1/2" parallel comb.

I don't think I've ever seen a MC on a Broadway. I learned something new.

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 Post subject: Re: Browning Superposed Question
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:17 am 
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Neither have I. The '62 FN B2 (mentioned above) has a standard 8mm rib.

FN's do not always follow the same features as Brownings - the '62 FN B2 has a round knob grip. It also maintains the traditional cross-over checkering detail under the grip carried over from the '50's. Brownings went to 'square knobs' on their trap guns in 1960.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning Superposed Question
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 5:33 am 
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captjsjr wrote:
Gun broker item # 873834168

Here’s a start for your search ....

Negotiated a deal on this Broadway, gonna give it a try.
Thanks for the heads up Capt.

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 Post subject: Re: Browning Superposed Question
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Joe , let us know when you pick it up. Nice thing about the Supers is you can tell the bride “it’s just an old , used gun “


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 Post subject: Re: Browning Superposed Question
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thats a great looking gun, but i dont know did anyone tell joe thats not the original stock?

as to tight chokes, ive been shooting a mid 50's trap pigeon for 7-8 years now choked F/IM, which by todays measurements puts it at Extra Full over Full. usually, i shoot sporting clays and use a 1300 fps Lite Handicap AA Winchester load. BUT i always keep about half a box of Fiocchi Spreaders in my bag hip bag with me. They will perform very well through tight chokes and the spread pattern will actually perform about 2 choke designations more open. So when im shooting them, im usually seeing (in todays measurements) an IM/M pattern from my pigeon super.

i love that gun.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning Superposed Question
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Charger , in the ad , there is a photo of the original stock which comes with the gun.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning Superposed Question
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I told him I didn't want the monte carlo whatever stock, just the original.

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 Post subject: Re: Browning Superposed Question
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captjsjr wrote:
Charger , in the ad , there is a photo of the original stock which comes with the gun.


i missed that picture in the ad.


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 Post subject: Re: Browning Superposed Question
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jusanothajoe wrote:
I told him I didn't want the monte carlo whatever stock, just the original.


if it was me, i would get them both. and swap out if the original didnt fit well enough to your personal shooting dimensions. the modified stock doesnt fit perfect to the tang, but could be modified even more for you as you shoot it. with the original stock, you can always put it back to factory.


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If I like the gun and enjoy shooting it, I think I might get a round knob stock made for it down the road.

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Although not the original configuration , if you’re going to put your own “stamp” on the gun , you have chosen a very tasteful one !


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 Post subject: Re: Browning Superposed Question
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Anatidae wrote:
Neither have I. The '62 FN B2 (mentioned above) has a standard 8mm rib.

FN's do not always follow the same features as Brownings - the '62 FN B2 has a round knob grip. It also maintains the traditional cross-over checkering detail under the grip carried over from the '50's. Brownings went to 'square knobs' on their trap guns in 1960.


I am posting a picture of a GB listing of a round knob Monte Carlo stock 50's Trap.
I have never seen one of these before and thought it a really cool gun.
Were these a custom order item?
Do you see many of these?

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Photos #2 and #6 in the ad show that the comb has been added.

Since the Monte Carlo comb was not a standard catalog feature on the Brownings in the '50's (to my knowledge), I think it is safe to assume one is either a 'special order' feature or after-market upgrade. I don't recall seeing any 'factory' examples.

I have seen several FN Superposed with factory Monte Carlo combs (I have two). FN Superposed were very popular among competition guns in the 1950's, particularly in the live bird and Olympic trap circuits - so it is not unusual to see one with a Monte Carlo comb and/or long forearms. Standard length in 10-1/2" but I have encountered 5 with forearms reaching 13-3/4" in length - and 2 of those feature full beavertail forearms.


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Jaspo01 wrote:
Anatidae wrote:
Neither have I. The '62 FN B2 (mentioned above) has a standard 8mm rib.

FN's do not always follow the same features as Brownings - the '62 FN B2 has a round knob grip. It also maintains the traditional cross-over checkering detail under the grip carried over from the '50's. Brownings went to 'square knobs' on their trap guns in 1960.


I am posting a picture of a GB listing of a round knob Monte Carlo stock 50's Trap.
I have never seen one of these before and thought it a really cool gun.
Were these a custom order item?
Do you see many of these?

Image


I agree. That's classic looking. {hs#




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