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 Post subject: Re: Are we discussing Remington bankruptcy yet?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:21 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Are we discussing Remington bankruptcy yet?
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torybird wrote:
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Right. :roll:


Yup, I'm right..... :D

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 Post subject: Re: Are we discussing Remington bankruptcy yet?
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 Post subject: Re: Are we discussing Remington bankruptcy yet?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:08 am 
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torybird wrote:

Randall, not sure why you are giving me your copy and paste history lesson on Remington and who owns them. All my post was mentioning was about a rep discussing knowledge of something he/she may know about Remington's possible sale. We all know how you are Randall. You like to argue or "puff up" your ego till you get the last word in... LOL, you may deny it, but not too hard to read in between the lines.


It's almost like he's a PR representative for the company........


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 Post subject: Re: Are we discussing Remington bankruptcy yet?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 10:23 am 
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It's almost like some of you are more excited to troll a gun reviewer and gleeful celebrate an American gun manufacturer's struggles than actually discuss anything.


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 Post subject: Re: Are we discussing Remington bankruptcy yet?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:31 am 
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S.davis wrote:
It's almost like some of you are more excited to troll a gun reviewer and gleeful celebrate an American gun manufacturer's struggles than actually discuss anything.



I`ve observed the ongoing "discussions" of Remington`s situation for the last couple of years with great interest and I`ve come to the conclusion that there are four major groups of folks who contribute to said discussions:


1. Those that have honest criticisms and critiques of Remington and Remington`s products based on their experiences. This group as no inherent ill will towards Remington and hopes that they succeed.

2. Those that feel a need to defend Remington at times based on their experiences with Remington as a company and with Remington products ( I admit to having been a member of this group ).

3. Those that simply say things of a perceived negative nature concerning Remington that they hope will get a rise out of one Randy Wakeman.

4. Finally, and sadly, those that comprise a group (hopefully small) that genuinely, for whatever twisted reason, wishes to see Remington fail as a company and pass from the firearms manufacturing scene.

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 Post subject: Re: Are we discussing Remington bankruptcy yet?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:55 am 
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Tidefanatic wrote:
S.davis wrote:
It's almost like some of you are more excited to troll a gun reviewer and gleeful celebrate an American gun manufacturer's struggles than actually discuss anything.



I`ve observed the ongoing "discussions" of Remington`s situation for the last couple of years with great interest and I`ve come to the conclusion that there are four major groups of folks who contribute to said discussions:


1. Those that have honest criticisms and critiques of Remington and Remington`s products based on their experiences. This group as no inherent ill will towards Remington and hopes that they succeed.

2. Those that feel a need to defend Remington at times based on their experiences with Remington as a company and with Remington products ( I admit to having been a member of this group ).

3. Those that simply say things of a perceived negative nature concerning Remington that they hope will get a rise out of one Randy Wakeman.

4. Finally, and sadly, those that comprise a group (hopefully small) that genuinely, for whatever twisted reason, wishes to see Remington fail as a company and pass from the firearms manufacturing scene.


{hs# A very apt analysis!


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 Post subject: Re: Are we discussing Remington bankruptcy yet?
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S.davis wrote:
It's almost like some of you are more excited to troll a gun reviewer and gleeful celebrate an American gun manufacturer's struggles than actually discuss anything.


There are some cheerleaders.
There are some shills.
However, we are all gun reviewers.
None are "victims".

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 Post subject: Re: Are we discussing Remington bankruptcy yet?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:01 pm 
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S.davis wrote:
It's almost like some of you are more excited to troll a gun reviewer and gleeful celebrate an American gun manufacturer's struggles than actually discuss anything.


Anyway: https://www.timesunion.com/news/article ... 382535.php

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The company is currently owned in part by a Minneapolis hedge fund, Whitebox Advisors, which invests in troubled businesses to which they have loaned money, according to published reports.


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According to the Navajo Times, a tribal leader on Thursday confirmed that they are looking at a $300 million investment in the firm.


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Johnson expressed hopes that the company’s historical roots in Ilion, along with the plant’s reputation for good quality control, would keep the factory open should a new owner purchase it.

Gun makers have seen drops in sales nationally since President Donald Trump was elected in 2016, erasing fears that there would be strict national gun controls. When gun owners believe there will be controls or restrictions, they tend to stock up in order to acquire items they want before they can’t get them.

The coronavirus, with fears of social and economic strains, however, has led to a sales uptick.

King noted that Remington is one of several large gun makers that have hit financial problems after being hobbled by high debt loads when investment firms purchased them in recent years.

“It’s what happens when there aren’t gun people running a gun company,” he said of Remington’s financial woes.

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That pretty much covers it.

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 Post subject: Re: Are we discussing Remington bankruptcy yet?
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Not sure what everyone's problem is with Navajos. I love their tacos.

And American Indians are very much "gun people". I went to the Smithsonian "National Museum of the American Indian" when it first opened up, and I was amazed at how much of the exhibit space was taken up by gun displays. It was the second biggest display of firearms in the DC area, behind the NRA museum in Fairfax of course.

I would love to buy Remingtons made by Indians and support them. Especially in an era when neo-Marxists are chanting the lie that ethnic minorities can't be successful in the USA because of "white privilege". Hell, I'd buy an 870 from an Indian just to make the leftists doubly angry.


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 Post subject: Re: Are we discussing Remington bankruptcy yet?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:29 pm 
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Tidefanatic wrote:
S.davis wrote:
It's almost like some of you are more excited to troll a gun reviewer and gleeful celebrate an American gun manufacturer's struggles than actually discuss anything.



I`ve observed the ongoing "discussions" of Remington`s situation for the last couple of years with great interest and I`ve come to the conclusion that there are four major groups of folks who contribute to said discussions:


1. Those that have honest criticisms and critiques of Remington and Remington`s products based on their experiences. This group as no inherent ill will towards Remington and hopes that they succeed.

2. Those that feel a need to defend Remington at times based on their experiences with Remington as a company and with Remington products ( I admit to having been a member of this group ).

3. Those that simply say things of a perceived negative nature concerning Remington that they hope will get a rise out of one Randy Wakeman.

4. Finally, and sadly, those that comprise a group (hopefully small) that genuinely, for whatever twisted reason, wishes to see Remington fail as a company and pass from the firearms manufacturing scene.



In regards to #3, getting a rise out of Randall is actually entertaining. Easy to stir him up since his ego gets the best of him. He would argue with anybody to get a point across even if the subject matter is senseless. No offense Randall, just stating my observations.

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 Post subject: Re: Are we discussing Remington bankruptcy yet?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:38 pm 
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HenryVac wrote:
Not sure what everyone's problem is with Navajos. I love their tacos.

And American Indians are very much "gun people". I went to the Smithsonian "National Museum of the American Indian" when it first opened up, and I was amazed at how much of the exhibit space was taken up by gun displays. It was the second biggest display of firearms in the DC area, behind the NRA museum in Fairfax of course.

I would love to buy Remingtons made by Indians and support them. Especially in an era when neo-Marxists are chanting the lie that ethnic minorities can't be successful in the USA because of "white privilege". Hell, I'd buy an 870 from an Indian just to make the leftists doubly angry.



For some reason I have a better feeling about Remington being owned and run by the Navajo people than by hedge funds and bankers, probably most of whom don`t know the difference between a magazine cap and a trigger.

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 Post subject: Re: Are we discussing Remington bankruptcy yet?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:07 pm 
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HenryVac wrote:
Not sure what everyone's problem is with Navajos. I love their tacos.

And American Indians are very much "gun people". I went to the Smithsonian "National Museum of the American Indian" when it first opened up, and I was amazed at how much of the exhibit space was taken up by gun displays. It was the second biggest display of firearms in the DC area, behind the NRA museum in Fairfax of course.

I would love to buy Remingtons made by Indians and support them. Especially in an era when neo-Marxists are chanting the lie that ethnic minorities can't be successful in the USA because of "white privilege". Hell, I'd buy an 870 from an Indian just to make the leftists doubly angry.


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 Post subject: Re: Are we discussing Remington bankruptcy yet?
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HenryVac wrote:
Not sure what everyone's problem is with Navajos. I love their tacos.

And American Indians are very much "gun people". I went to the Smithsonian "National Museum of the American Indian" when it first opened up, and I was amazed at how much of the exhibit space was taken up by gun displays. It was the second biggest display of firearms in the DC area, behind the NRA museum in Fairfax of course.

I would love to buy Remingtons made by Indians and support them. Especially in an era when neo-Marxists are chanting the lie that ethnic minorities can't be successful in the USA because of "white privilege". Hell, I'd buy an 870 from an Indian just to make the leftists doubly angry.


Nobody said anything negative about the Navajo Nation that I saw. Other than that, keep the half-brained political nonsense in the section of the forum reserved for white nationalist spew. Nobody here needs to have you litter the thread with your “ideas” about what makes leftists mad.


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 Post subject: Re: Are we discussing Remington bankruptcy yet?
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HenryVac wrote:
Not sure what everyone's problem is with Navajos. I love their tacos.

And American Indians are very much "gun people". I went to the Smithsonian "National Museum of the American Indian" when it first opened up, and I was amazed at how much of the exhibit space was taken up by gun displays. It was the second biggest display of firearms in the DC area, behind the NRA museum in Fairfax of course.

I would love to buy Remingtons made by Indians and support them. Especially in an era when neo-Marxists are chanting the lie that ethnic minorities can't be successful in the USA because of "white privilege". Hell, I'd buy an 870 from an Indian just to make the leftists doubly angry.


Nobody said anything negative about the Navajo Nation that I saw. Other than that, keep the half-brained political nonsense in the section of the forum reserved for white nationalist spew. Nobody here needs to have you litter the thread with your “ideas” about what makes leftists mad.


I didn't mind, and apparently he was right. :lol: :lol: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Are we discussing Remington bankruptcy yet?
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Looks like Whitebox Advisors are fixing to do a little profit taking after buying up Remingtons debt. Those darn hedge funds, gotta love em. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Are we discussing Remington bankruptcy yet?
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 Post subject: Re: Are we discussing Remington bankruptcy yet?
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lossking wrote:
S.davis wrote:
HenryVac wrote:
Not sure what everyone's problem is with Navajos. I love their tacos.

And American Indians are very much "gun people". I went to the Smithsonian "National Museum of the American Indian" when it first opened up, and I was amazed at how much of the exhibit space was taken up by gun displays. It was the second biggest display of firearms in the DC area, behind the NRA museum in Fairfax of course.

I would love to buy Remingtons made by Indians and support them. Especially in an era when neo-Marxists are chanting the lie that ethnic minorities can't be successful in the USA because of "white privilege". Hell, I'd buy an 870 from an Indian just to make the leftists doubly angry.


Nobody said anything negative about the Navajo Nation that I saw. Other than that, keep the half-brained political nonsense in the section of the forum reserved for white nationalist spew. Nobody here needs to have you litter the thread with your “ideas” about what makes leftists mad.


I didn't mind, and apparently he was right. :lol: :lol: :lol:


You outrage addicts are so mad all the time, so you don’t understand the difference between anger and normal decent people reminding you you have a safe space for all your yowling and shrieking. The board operator gave you babies a crying room, use it.


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 Post subject: Re: Are we discussing Remington bankruptcy yet?
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S.davis wrote:
You outrage addicts are so mad all the time, so you don’t understand the difference between anger and normal decent people reminding you you have a safe space for all your yowling and shrieking. The board operator gave you babies a crying room, use it.


Should there be a Marxist Socialist Progressive cry room forum for you?

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 Post subject: Re: Are we discussing Remington bankruptcy yet?
PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:13 am 
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I find it interesting to speculate just how the Navajo people would run Remington, should the deal come to pass. The Navajo Nation comprises over 27K square miles in three states ( Utah, New Mexico and Arizona ). I would think to relocate the production lines and equipment to the Nation from New York and Alabama would be a complicated and expensive endeavor. Obviously, the Navajo governing council is entertaining this as a business venture to financially benefit its people. While the Navajo Nation, with a major if not sole ownership interest in the company, could set the company`s direction and hopefully send at least some of its young people to learn skills and achieve employment, I would think that they will rely on the " Biligaana " ( white man ) to continue to do much of the actual craftsman and assembly work, at least for quite a while.



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