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 Post subject: 16 gauge Wingmaster question
PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 12:09 pm 
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I just picked up a very nice Wingmaster. Price was right, but I am pretty sure the forend is mahogany and the stock is walnut. The checkering matches. The barrel code dates it to Nov. 1968.
Would the gun have come with walnut or mahogany? I suspect walnut, and the forend was changed. The forend is stamped "20".
I may order this.
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/591530

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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge Wingmaster question
PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 12:46 pm 
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Now I am not sure.
Top one is the 16 gauge.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pJjMJUUf9Go2Rep8Q2MAD-__qe_GBZd0/view?usp=sharing
In person the forend is darker.


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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge Wingmaster question
PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:20 pm 
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Never saw a factory mahogany on a 12 or 16 gauge. I had a mahogany set on my 28. Can't see enough to be sure but that fore end on Numrich looks like second gen checkering pattern.

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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge Wingmaster question
PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:33 pm 
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I have a very very nice factory stock and fore end for a 16 ga Wingmaster that I would part with if you are interested. Send me a PM if so

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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge Wingmaster question
PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2020 7:53 pm 
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The good.
Casonet,
I don't think I will need it as I took it to the club today and our resident stock maker blessed it as Walnut.
Virginian,
Thanks for that info.

Now for the bad.
I now see why a 1968 gun looks so new. It doesn't really cycle.
It is leaving shells in the chamber. I happen to own a pair of 16 ga. chamber hones.
They didn't seem to help.
I am thinking the extractor just isn't sharp enough.
Any other possibilities?

Fortunately I brought my American Browning as a back up.

Thanks again.

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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge Wingmaster question
PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2020 9:11 pm 
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I had the same problem with a 16 ga Wingmaster that was almost new. I took out the extractor and with a very small file and a few strokes I changed it to give it more “bite” on the shell rim. Took about 10 minutes. Never had a problem since as it extracts everything I feed it perfectly now.

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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge Wingmaster question
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:06 pm 
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Update
After replacing the extractor with a Volquartsen and honing the chamber (I just happen to have a pair of 16 ga. chamber hones) for about 5-10 minutes, it still didn't work with Cheddite or Fiocchi hulls. It did work with Federal hulls. All reloads. The European hulls would fail to extract about 25% of the time. And they are all the way in. If I pump it again, it will extract and eject normally.
Testing at home afterwards, the European hulls are much tighter. And it it the plastic, not so much the brass.
More honing? New extractor spring?

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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge Wingmaster question
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:21 pm 
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Different ammo! Don’t go gouging on a nice gun, when you’ve already identified the issue as ammo related, not gun!!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge Wingmaster question
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:51 pm 
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Rooster booster wrote:
Different ammo! Don’t go gouging on a nice gun, when you’ve already identified the issue as ammo related, not gun!!!!!

Absolutely.

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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge Wingmaster question
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 8:38 pm 
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Cheddite hulls are notorious for sticking in chambers. There are extensive threads in the browning forum regarding problems with A5s. I’ve had them stick in a variety of guns....Wingmasters, A5s, and Citoris. It’s not clear why, and not everyone has this problem. I like Remington and Federal hulls for this reason.


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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge Wingmaster question
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:55 pm 
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Anyone have 16 gauge Federal empties for sale?
I have no Remington hulls on hand, except one factory box unfired.

There is no guarantee Federal won't change those hulls like they did with the 12 gauge.
This is a Wingmaster. It should eat everything. My Remington made A5 does. The very same loads in fact.

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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge Wingmaster question
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:59 pm 
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Buy four flats of a load that works, pick up your empties, worry about it again in a few years......or buy more flats.


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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge Wingmaster question
PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:48 am 
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I believe Walmart just started to carry federal hulls
I picked up a few boxes there the other night

I’ve been using Winchester red hulls and I have some black Remington hulls that I’m also using

Glad to see that you got it running


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 Post subject: Re: 16 gauge Wingmaster question
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Unless you have measured the chamber you don't know what the issue is, but it is not sounding like the gun.



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