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 Post subject: Re: How can Remington survive?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:05 pm 
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RandyWakeman wrote:
BPS sub-gauges are history. They have only run them once a year, if that.

These two statements are completely incongruous. :roll:

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You can't find a single new BPS 28 gauge on Gunbroker: https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Ke ... 28%20gauge


https://www.gunbroker.com/item/887576247
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/889746659

Both are current generation design and available for purchase today.

Plenty of new 410s available in the past 90 days:
https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search/co ... imeframe=1

Plenty of new 28s available in the past 90 days:
https://www.gunbroker.com/Pump-Action-S ... imeframe=1

In today's world, saying something isn't AVAILABLE does not mean it is DISCONTINUED. Otherwise 90%+ of guns on the market have been "discontinued" in the past 9 months...



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 Post subject: Re: How can Remington survive?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 11:46 pm 
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Brownings website clearly shows those models discontinued.


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 Post subject: Re: How can Remington survive?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:37 am 
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Pgeurts wrote:
Brownings website clearly shows those models discontinued.


Current Production: https://www.browning.com/content/browni ... field.html
Discontinued Production (most recent discontinuation):
https://www.browning.com/content/browni ... field.html

There is some difference between the "current production" and "discontinued", as they have different UPCs, and mfgs don't change UPCs just for fun. The discontinued model had "Inflex 1" recoil pad, the current model has "Inflex 2" recoil pad, and the current model has a $140 higher MSRP :x The new model has a different stock design (although the dimensions are the same), and a different trigger guard (why?). Both of the current GB links I posted bring you to the currently offered generation of BPS 28ga.

28ga 26" Current: 023614741305
28ga 26" Disco: 023614686415

28ga 28" Current: 023614741312
28ga 28" Disco: 023614686422

410 Current: 023614741329
410 Disco: 023614686439

I will admit I found the Browning website to be extremely buggy. If you go in through the links I provided, everything shows up fine, if you click through the site it comes up with blank results sometimes.

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 Post subject: Re: How can Remington survive?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:17 am 
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How’ s Remington ( RemArms) doing these days?

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 Post subject: How can Remington survive?
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 Post subject: Re: How can Remington survive?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:37 am 
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Tidefanatic wrote:
How’ s Remington ( RemArms) doing these days?


Still dead!


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 Post subject: Re: How can Remington survive?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:58 am 
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Just curious since this thread has managed to morph into one about Browning pump shotguns.

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 Post subject: Re: How can Remington survive?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:13 am 
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Skeet_Man wrote:
RandyWakeman wrote:
BPS sub-gauges are history. They have only run them once a year, if that.

These two statements are completely incongruous. :roll:

RandyWakeman wrote:
You can't find a single new BPS 28 gauge on Gunbroker: https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Ke ... 28%20gauge


https://www.gunbroker.com/item/887576247
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/889746659

Both are current generation design and available for purchase today.

Plenty of new 410s available in the past 90 days:
https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search/co ... imeframe=1

Plenty of new 28s available in the past 90 days:
https://www.gunbroker.com/Pump-Action-S ... imeframe=1

In today's world, saying something isn't AVAILABLE does not mean it is DISCONTINUED. Otherwise 90%+ of guns on the market have been "discontinued" in the past 9 months...


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 Post subject: Re: How can Remington survive?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:57 pm 
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https://www.shotbusiness.com/story/shot ... qOPjYtQu7s this article says remarms gets to use remington royalty free


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 Post subject: Re: How can Remington survive?
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I have seen 2 different articles this last week stating Roundhill had acquired a Federal Firearm License .

Anyone else see or hear anything about this ?


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 Post subject: Re: How can Remington survive?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 1:21 pm 
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naildriver wrote:
I have seen 2 different articles this last week stating Roundhill had acquired a Federal Firearm License .

Anyone else see or hear anything about this ?

The most recent scuttlebutt I've seen was in Remington's Instagram feed. Someone claiming to know one of the 200 recalled workers says March 1 is the intended restart.

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 Post subject: Re: How can Remington survive?
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One of the articles was from WKTV - The other was from Times Telegram .


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 Post subject: Re: How can Remington survive?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:56 am 
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F*W*F wrote:
The most recent scuttlebutt I've seen was in Remington's Instagram feed. Someone claiming to know one of the 200 recalled workers says March 1 is the intended restart.


""The ATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives) has been extremely responsive, and we see no impairment to having our license by our target date of Feb. 1,” Italia said."

Roundhill originally claimed a re-open in a matter of weeks. Later, the "target date" was announced as February 1st. That's tomorrow. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: How can Remington survive?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:57 pm 
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I think the title of this thread can be renamed "Remington didn't survive". People are just still in denial about it.

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 Post subject: Re: How can Remington survive?
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 Post subject: Re: How can Remington survive?
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KevH wrote:
https://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2021/2/2/remarms-to-begin-production-march-1?fbclid=IwAR0DD6trmsxosfqzMvFHC308NuThsbzs3rLfUvse-i1VOTgwC_7Bre00ssQ


Well.............?

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 Post subject: Re: How can Remington survive?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 4:54 pm 
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I for one have always thought that Roundhill would at the very least make a good faithful try at bringing back the gun manufacturing arm of the old Remington.

As I have said before... They will make some mistakes, frankly I think they will make some big ones. They will have many false starts. They will make some bad business decisions, some of these we will know about, and others we will never know about. They will burn money like crazy. The list of things that go wrong will be widely circulated and many people will hold them up for ridicule. When they get things right they will get very little credit.

I wish them well, and I continue to hope to be able to buy well made American manufactured shotguns from them in the future. I eventually plan to buy 2 more V3's to add to the 1 that I have now.

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 Post subject: Re: How can Remington survive?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:01 pm 
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I think the title of this thread can be renamed "Remington didn't survive". People are just still in denial about it.


The new owners (Roundhill) have never designed a single firearm, they have never manufactured a single firearm, they have never marketed a single firearm, and no one has ever ordered a firearm from "Roundhill." They have sold zero firearms in history. What could possibly go wrong?

They are also spectacularly ignorant, spectacular liars, or perhaps both. In the WUTR-TV interview of October 21, Richmond Italia made some strange comments. “We’re not talking, we’re not shutting down for six months,” said Italia. “We’re talking weeks to a maximum a couple of months. Maximum.”

The "Maximum Maximum" cry was ludicrous from the beginning. The couple of months has already passed. Now, there are job offers to ex-Remington employees to start February 15th, 2021. To do what, exactly? Start designing a website? Start plugging in phone lines? Turn a couple of lights on?

You can only lie so many times before even the least curious people start to get the hint. You buy part of a bankrupt company, and claim publicly “We’re not talking, we’re not shutting down for six months,” said Italia. “We’re talking weeks to a maximum a couple of months. Maximum.” Right.

Weeks? A couple of months maximum? :roll: :roll: :roll: It has already been over four months, unmarred by progress.

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With the acquisition, Roundhill Group LLC partner and spokesman, Jeff Edwards stated, “As is known, Roundhill Group LLC and a group of experienced firearms manufacturing and hunting industry professionals is in the process of purchasing Remington Firearms. Our intent with this acquisition is to return the company to its traditional place as an iconic American hunting brand. We intend to maintain, care for, and nurture the brand and all of the dedicated employees who have crafted these products over the years for outdoorsmen and women both here in the USA and abroad. More than anything we want to make Remington a household name that is spoken with pride.”

Edwards added, “The Roundhill Group is comprised of a group of individuals all of whom have years of experience in engineering, manufacturing, and marketing both in and outside of the firearms space. They are all life-long hunting advocates and staunch Remington brand loyalists. They will work tirelessly to ensure that this company takes its rightful place as the iconic American brand that it was and still is.”


Can anyone here name ANYONE at Roundhill Group that has any experience "in engineering, manufacturing, and marketing firearms"? Anyone? Anyone at all? One person? It is the sound of one hand clapping.

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 Post subject: Re: How can Remington survive?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 2:12 am 
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RandyWakeman wrote:
The new owners (Roundhill) have never designed a single firearm, ..................................It is the sound of one hand clapping.


Randy, why didn't you and a dozen of your buddies bust open your piggy banks and buy Remington Arms?

I mean, if the Roundhill group fails, they fail. It still wouldn't preclude the possibility that someone else swoops in, buys the IP and starts over elsewhere.

I think you're pissed because you're sentimental about the old Remington, with its organic connections involving a factory, the town it's in, and the people living there, stretching back two centuries. You've probably spent much of your life using Remingtons, so it feels like family. I can't blame you there.

My connection isn't as direct. My first firearm was a Marlin 781, so I'm stuck with being a Marlin lifer. My second was the M77V 220 Swift I got in Jr High, so Ruger ranks highly with me, too. That doesn't mean I'm totally at ease with Ruger owning Marlin; like Remington, they will likely fumble the ball a time or two. Anyways, up until Remington bought Marlin (don't bother with belaboring the point that Cerberus or Freedom Group did the buying), I had only two connections with Remington: my Grandfather's pre-Model 11 12 ga auto, and an 870 Express Supermag, which I bought simply to have a magnum shotgun available. Rather than sulking when Marlin was bought, I figured I may as well hope that Marlin would succeed in the Remington camp. To that end, I bought a few Remlins, and got in the mood to buy a few new Remingtons, too.

My point here is, it's pointless to despair over this right now. In spite of the fact that there were enough liabilities involved to drive the purchase price down to $13M, someone is trying to make a go of it. If they fail, maybe doom was unavoidable. How many other gun companies still persist in NY, or even in the NE in general? If your vision of Remington is bound to Ilion, this is the chance it has right now.

They say they are going to start with the 870. I've a bit of a hankering for an 870 Trap; maybe I'll look into backordering one.

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 Post subject: Re: How can Remington survive?
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I think it’s interesting that some people seem to want Roundhill to fail, instead of wishing them well in an effort to resurrect an iconic American company. That’s being small, IMO.



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