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Post subject: Beretta Info Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:11 pm |
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Beretta Choke Interchange Information
If no specific gauge and or version is listed beside the model it is used in all gauges.
This list is believed to be correct but the accuracy is not guaranteed
Models That Use Mobil Chokes
390
3901
ES100
Blackwing
Whitewing
687EELL Skeet
AL391 Urika 20 ga
AL391 Tekneys 20 ga.
Onyx Series
Silver Pigeon S
Silver Pigeon II, III, IV, V
EL Gold Pigeon II
EELL Diamond Pigeon
Ultralight
EL Gold Pigeon II Sporting in 20, 28, .410
EELL Diamond Pigeon Sporting in 20, 28, .410
471 Silver Hawk 20 ga.
470 EL 20 ga
AL391 Urika Sporting 20 ga
AL391 Tekneys Sporting 20 ga.
686 E Sporting
687 Silver Pigeon II Sporting in 20 and 28 ga.
Models That Use Optima Plus Chokes
A391 Xtrema
AL391 Urika 12 ga.
AL391 Tekneys 12 ga.
EL Gold Pigeon II Sporting 12 ga.
Silver Pigeon III Sporting 12 ga.
EELL Diamond Pigeon Sporting 12 ga.
Models That Use Optima Chokes
Al391 Urika Competition 12 ga.
Al391 Tekneys Sporting 12 ga.
DT10 Trident Sporting, Skeet, Trap and Trap Single
682 Gold E Sporting, Trap and Skeet
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Post subject: Re: Beretta Info Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 11:10 pm |
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The White Onyx Sporting uses Optima chokes. The other versions of the 686 Onyx series use Mobil chokes.
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Post subject: Re: Beretta Info Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:14 am |
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I don't know where you got that info, but if it came from the Beretta USA web site, I would not depend on it to be up to date. I would also check it often for changes. It appears to me that Beretta must be in the process of gradually changing all Optima models to the Optima Plus choke tubes. They started with the Extrema, then went to the field grades of 391 Urika, now they have added some O/U's. The trend is bound to continue, because it just doesn't make good business sense for them to continue to use two different Optima chokes.
As recently as January 2004 Beretta USA was saying on their web site that the Optima Plus chokes were used ONLY on the Extrema, but even at that time they were selling 391 Urikas with the Optima Plus chokes. Now 9 months later we have a list of 6 models that use the Plus chokes. I predict that within a year Beretta will not be making any new guns with the Optima chokes.
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Post subject: Re: Beretta Info Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 2:16 pm |
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the 686 silver essentials should also be added to the list
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Post subject: Re: Beretta Info Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 5:09 pm |
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The white onyx doesn't have opt chokes, it has the mob chokes.
The 686 essential has mob chokes.
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Post subject: Re: Beretta Info Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:24 pm |
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obx351 wrote: The white onyx doesn't have opt chokes, it has the mob chokes.
The White Onyx Sporting does have Optima barrels and chokes -- that's why I bought one -- but the field White Onyx and the White Onyx Pro do not. Apart from the receiver, these are different guns and priced differently as well.<p>
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Post subject: Re: Beretta Info Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:22 pm |
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obx351
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Post subject: Re: Beretta Info Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:23 pm |
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Sorry...forgot to log in....
I stand corrected!
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Post subject: Re: Beretta Info Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 7:52 pm |
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My Urika 12 came with the mobile choke system. Must be when they were made to depend on which choke system they use?
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Post subject: Re: Beretta Info Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 11:19 am |
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What is the difference between the Optima + and the standard Optima tubes? Is the + for steel shot?
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Post subject: Re: Beretta Info Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 12:06 pm |
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The Optima Plus tubes are used in the Field guns. It started in the Extreme (3.5"), progressed to the Teknys field then the 391 Urika Field.
The Competition, including the Sporting/Trap/Skeet guns, were given the Optima tubes. They both, Field and Competition, have the Optima Bore just not the same tubes. I have not put them on the scales but, the Optima Plus feel heavier than the Optima's.
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Post subject: Re: Beretta Info Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 7:51 pm |
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Austin,TX wrote: The White Onyx Sporting uses Optima chokes. The other versions of the 686 Onyx series use Mobil chokes. <p>
A year later......The confusing thing is the new White Onyx Sporting uses the Optima chokes and as you state the old one doesn't. Why Beretta makes the changes it does baffels me.
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Post subject: Re: Beretta Info Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:51 pm |
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It is my understanding that the guns with the optima barrels are back bored and have lengthened forcing cones. Is this correct?
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Post subject: Re: Beretta Info Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:05 pm |
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Backbored, yes. Forcing cones, I think so.
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Post subject: Re: Beretta Info Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:11 pm |
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the nicest finished set of cones i have ever seen were in my gold e, the only way to tell they were there was with a bore mic. the taper was almost 5'' long, and polished like the barrel----nicely done, and done factory. not all i have looked at were finished like that, but all were lengthened
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Post subject: Re: Beretta Info Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:11 am |
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Optima chokes are designed primarily for Sporting uses. Optima Plus chokes are designed primarily for Hunting uses. The way it was explained to me was that the sporting shooter GENERALLY shoots a LOT Of lighter pressure loads at slower speeds using lead shot while a hunter uses harder shot (ie steel, etc.) and higher speeds and pressures.
Also, if the gun has Optime or Optima plus barrels, the barrel is overbored to .733-735 and has lengthened forcing cones as well.
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Post subject: Re: Beretta Info Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 11:03 am |
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shotgunworld wrote: Beretta Choke Interchange Information If no specific gauge and or version is listed beside the model it is used in all gauges. This list is believed to be correct but the accuracy is not guaranteed
Models That Use Mobil Chokes 390 3901 ES100 Blackwing Whitewing 687EELL Skeet AL391 Urika 20 ga AL391 Tekneys 20 ga. Onyx Series Silver Pigeon S Silver Pigeon II, III, IV, V EL Gold Pigeon II EELL Diamond Pigeon Ultralight EL Gold Pigeon II Sporting in 20, 28, .410 EELL Diamond Pigeon Sporting in 20, 28, .410 471 Silver Hawk 20 ga. 470 EL 20 ga AL391 Urika Sporting 20 ga AL391 Tekneys Sporting 20 ga. 686 E Sporting 687 Silver Pigeon II Sporting in 20 and 28 ga.
Models That Use Optima Plus Chokes A391 Xtrema AL391 Urika 12 ga. AL391 Tekneys 12 ga. EL Gold Pigeon II Sporting 12 ga. Silver Pigeon III Sporting 12 ga. EELL Diamond Pigeon Sporting 12 ga.
Models That Use Optima Chokes Al391 Urika Competition 12 ga. Al391 Tekneys Sporting 12 ga. DT10 Trident Sporting, Skeet, Trap and Trap Single 682 Gold E Sporting, Trap and Skeet
The 682 Gold only not E, use mobile chokes too.
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Post subject: re: Beretta Info Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:06 pm |
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Beretta made a run of DT10 commemorative models for the 100th Anniversary of Vandalia and The Grand in 1999. The chokes in at least some of those guns are called "Overbore", and do not fall into the optima or mobil choke lists as posted.
They are an entirely different choke tube, and neither the Optima or Mobil choke will fit in my Vandalia 100th Ann. DT10.
John
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Leeboy
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Post subject: re: Beretta Info Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:01 pm |
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My silver pigeon 111 sporter has optima chokes and not optima plus. The barrel is over bored and has lengthened forcing cones.
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Post subject: re: Beretta Info Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:43 pm |
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SO-5 Sporters also available (option) with Optima bore/chokes
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