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 Post subject: Re: Gas system and lubrication question
PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 11:54 am 
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The Beretta SA shotgun doesn't need to be cleaned with only 125 rounds fired. That's why you get away running it wet. It isn't a Rem 1100. You can easily put 1000 rounds thru without lubing the gas system.




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 Post subject: Re: Gas system and lubrication question
PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 1:00 pm 
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Berettas usually are not junk. Running em wet is just fine. I shoot 250-500 shells a session and no problems. I keep track. 2 jams on primary gun in 8,000 rounds and 0 jams on backup in 2,000 rounds. I use all kinds of ammo from junk Rios and Gun Clubs to Win AAs and Rem N27.

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 Post subject: Re: Gas system and lubrication question
PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 1:24 pm 
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I kept track of the first 50K rds through my Beretta 390 running the gas system and mag tube dry. Being notoriously lazy I waited for FTF or FTE problems before cleaning. Looking at my notes the gun generally ran 2300-2600 rds trouble free before cleaning was needed. The receiver and actuating rod portion that entered the receiver were all kept lightly lubricated with Mobil 1 0w20. My Tristar G2 20ga runs better wet, go figure!


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 Post subject: Re: Gas system and lubrication question
PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 3:07 pm 
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lt0026 wrote:
The Beretta SA shotgun doesn't need to be cleaned with only 125 rounds fired. That's why you get away running it wet. It isn't a Rem 1100. You can easily put 1000 rounds thru without lubing the gas system.


I run mine wet and clean every 1000-1500 rounds.
So my car doesn’t need oil either??


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 Post subject: Re: Gas system and lubrication question
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:34 am 
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You don't put oil in the fuel system.


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 Post subject: Re: Gas system and lubrication question
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:34 am 
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lt0026 wrote:
You don't put oil in the fuel system.


You lost me. What are you talking about??


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 Post subject: Re: Gas system and lubrication question
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:35 am 
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lt0026 wrote:
You don't put oil in the fuel system.


Actually you do in a 2 cycle engine!


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:35 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Gas system and lubrication question
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:45 am 
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Beretta’s are supposed to be run dry. There is less mess to clean, and you can go longer between cleanings.

Follow the factory video instructions. The guy talking was their head gunsmith for well over 20 years. I think he would know......
https://youtu.be/_6U4FAs51tM


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 Post subject: Re: Gas system and lubrication question
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:18 am 
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Over 200,000 rounds later, this B-80 still runs like a champ. I've used Breakfree CLP on 303s, B-80s, and 390s since the early 1980s. They run better, longer, and are easier to clean than dry.

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 Post subject: Re: Gas system and lubrication question
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:21 pm 
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Randy, I thought you were now recommending the use of Hornady One Shot instead of CLP. Am I wrong-again? It sure would not be my first time.


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 Post subject: Re: Gas system and lubrication question
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:50 pm 
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RandyWakeman wrote:
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Over 200,000 rounds later, this B-80 still runs like a champ. I've used Breakfree CLP on 303s, B-80s, and 390s since the early 1980s. They run better, longer, and are easier to clean than dry.


How do you know Randy? :lol:
Only a 200,000 example??


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 Post subject: Re: Gas system and lubrication question
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:23 pm 
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fecmech wrote:
I kept track of the first 50K rds through my Beretta 390 running the gas system and mag tube dry. Being notoriously lazy I waited for FTF or FTE problems before cleaning. Looking at my notes the gun generally ran 2300-2600 rds trouble free before cleaning was needed. The receiver and actuating rod portion that entered the receiver were all kept lightly lubricated with Mobil 1 0w20. My Tristar G2 20ga runs better wet, go figure!



As said I run them wet and used to do som torture testing with my training or rental berettas just to see how long they would run before any trouble started. Around 2200-2500 was where I would usually stop and clean.

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 Post subject: Re: Gas system and lubrication question
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:35 pm 
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A-400s are easier to maintain. Don’t own an A-300. Maybe I NEED one???

DUK I’m amazed! You gotta get one. I own one that I always do trickshooting practice with. It started out as a rental and training gun and has been abused. It’s trained many, many kids to shoot. I drilled an extra gas port in it to shoot even lighter loads. I’d hate to know how many rounds it has through it or how many people have shot it. It just keeps on going. Never mind That I have to make sure folks have had a tetanus shot before they handle it. Best $550 I ever spent

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 Post subject: Re: Gas system and lubrication question
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:40 pm 
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Randy, I thought you were now recommending the use of Hornady One Shot instead of CLP. Am I wrong-again? It sure would not be my first time.


No - - - One Shot wasn't around in the 1980s and it is a dry lubricant . . . you can't run it wet.

See: https://shotgunreport.com/2016/12/08/oils-for-gas-guns/

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I still haven’t found anything better than BreakFree CLP for keeping my gas operated Beretta 303 and 390s running. Here’s why: The problem with gas guns is an accumulation of burnt-on carbon. There really isn’t any lubrication problem to speak of. It’s carbon buildup. In spite of what is claimed for many of the oils, none that I have found, including the dry lubes, will keep carbon from building up on the Beretta’s gas piston. Nothing. Some oils claim that they “plate” the metal so that build up can’t adhere, but I have not seen any success with those products in my situation. Perhaps they work great in others, but not mine.

The ONLY thing that has worked for me, and that only half well, is BreakFree CLP because it contains a SOLVENT mixed in with the lubricant and preservatives. These lubricants and preservatives seem to keep the solvent from evaporating as quickly as it normally would when applied straight, as with Hoppes #9 and Shooters Choice- both excellent pure solvents. The other oils mixed in with BreakFree CLP’s solvent keep it wet for quite a while, well over 100 shots if you start pretty wet. When the solvent is kept moist, it breaks down the carbon into a liquid sludge and keeps it from adhering to th metal parts. Eventually, it dries out and the carbon hardens, but that takes some time. Squirting a bit more BreakFree CLP on the piston of a gummed up gun will always free it up enough to get you through the next bunch of shots. I certainly don’t think that BreakFree CLP is the end all and be all for gas guns, but until I find something that can dissolve carbon and stay liquid as long, I’ll use it.

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 Post subject: Re: Gas system and lubrication question
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:45 pm 
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Randy, let me clarify. Yes, I know One Shot is a "dry" type of lubricant. I am also aware that One Shot is fairly new and CLP predates it by a few decades. However, my point was that I thought you were NOW recommending One Shot VS CLP as shown on your website when cleaning an L4S.


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 Post subject: Re: Gas system and lubrication question
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:26 pm 
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SO, after only 2 pages, there is no consensus.
Next topic please! {hs#


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 Post subject: Re: Gas system and lubrication question
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:38 pm 
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oyeme wrote:
Randy, let me clarify. Yes, I know One Shot is a "dry" type of lubricant. I am also aware that One Shot is fairly new and CLP predates it by a few decades. However, my point was that I thought you were NOW recommending One Shot VS CLP as shown on your website when cleaning an L4S.


I use One Shot on my L4S's and my inertia guns. However, in the case of the pulse piston L4S Hunter-- I use nothing on the elastomer portion of the piston or the internal housing. It needs to be unlubed to work. If it was lubricated, there would not be the proper braking action. The elastomer portion acts as a wiper and is self-cleaning.

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 Post subject: Re: Gas system and lubrication question
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:07 pm 
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Well, shooting my Beretta semis wet with CLP has always worked for me. I was just concerned about that notice in my Outlander manual saying "must not".

After reading all the responses including many from guys who do the same, and with no responses warning of dire gun damage or personal physical risk, I guess I'll carry on. 8)

Thanks everyone.

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