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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:59 pm 
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Dr Duk wrote:
Doesn’t Fabarm have fake grain?. Triwood?


Only if you really want it. You cannot buy an L4S Hunter with anything but traditional walnut. You can't buy an XLR5 Velocity AR or an XLR5 Velocity LR with anything but traditional walnut. You can't buy an L4S Grey Sporting or an L4S Gold Sporting with anything but traditional walnut.



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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:34 am 
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Nothing wrong with the fake finish that Fabarm / Syren uses. It’s waterproof, sweat proof and Durable. The 391 Gold were the best looking guns. Beretta needs to up their game on the A400. At least put a finish as good as the Fabarm and a black receiver.


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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:08 pm 
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In keeping with the theme of this thread is this a trade you would make?

A 9-year-old 20 gauge Beretta 391 Urika-2 Sporting, 28 and 30" barrels, estimated 8,000 rounds, excellent condition for a new 30 inch, 20 gauge Beretta A400 Xcel.


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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:28 pm 
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PJR wrote:
In keeping with the theme of this thread is this a trade you would make?

A 9-year-old 20 gauge Beretta 391 Urika-2 Sporting, 28 and 30" barrels, estimated 8,000 rounds, excellent condition for a new 30 inch, 20 gauge Beretta A400 Xcel.


I probably would. The 391 platform was great. I ran many thousands of rounds through my 12 gauge 391’s. They treated me well. I moved to the A400 with reservations but once I fully committed to shooting the excel, I have shot it the best of any gun I have owned previously

So I would assume the same for myself in the 20 gauge version

I actually have some buyers remorse. This time last year I bought a Remington 1100 sporting in 20 gauge and should have spent the extra to get the A400 20 gauge :oops:

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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:07 pm 
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PJR wrote:
In keeping with the theme of this thread is this a trade you would make?

A 9-year-old 20 gauge Beretta 391 Urika-2 Sporting, 28 and 30" barrels, estimated 8,000 rounds, excellent condition for a new 30 inch, 20 gauge Beretta A400 Xcel.


I would not trade the 391. They are excellent guns.
I would recommend buying the A-400 in 20 ga.
I have the Xplor and Xcel in 20 ga. Can’t go wrong with them!


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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
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I would not trade my 303 for any of them.

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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:40 pm 
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I also have all three. They’re all good. My A400 I shoot the most.


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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:18 pm 
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Gotta say, I have a master class shooter friend who has a $25,000 Gun in his safe plus others of value. He has six 303’s. He shoots the 303’s all the time.


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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:59 pm 
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never had problems with 390 or 400. My Dad shoots a Beretta/Garcia AL-2 to this day - truly a bullet proof gun if you maintain the recoil spring. On the a400 There are a surprising number of people that can’t tell the grain is enhanced - I’ve received a number of compliments at my club.


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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:06 am 
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10-4 on the A400 grain. Same compliments on the finish.


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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:11 pm 
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dcr5468 wrote:
never had problems with 390 or 400. My Dad shoots a Beretta/Garcia AL-2 to this day - truly a bullet proof gun if you maintain the recoil spring. On the a400 There are a surprising number of people that can’t tell the grain is enhanced - I’ve received a number of compliments at my club.


My coach thought I had a Greenwood stock at first and I was like nooooo that is a fence post with ink or whatever on it. :lol:

In my coaches defence, the figuring of the wood looked similar but stil....it is a fence post. I don't get mad when I ding it.

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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:17 pm 
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blackandgold wrote:
dcr5468 wrote:
never had problems with 390 or 400. My Dad shoots a Beretta/Garcia AL-2 to this day - truly a bullet proof gun if you maintain the recoil spring. On the a400 There are a surprising number of people that can’t tell the grain is enhanced - I’ve received a number of compliments at my club.


My coach thought I had a Greenwood stock at first and I was like nooooo that is a fence post with ink or whatever on it. :lol:

In my coaches defence, the figuring of the wood looked similar but stil....it is a fence post. I don't get mad when I ding it.


Yeah for me my A400 is just a piece of equipment. The whatever it is stock functions just fine, I don’t cry if it’s raining on it and after heavy use over the past 2 1/2 years looks just like it did when new. The premium to put real wood on an A400 is not worth consideration for me.

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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:41 am 
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Dr Duk wrote:
PJR wrote:
In keeping with the theme of this thread is this a trade you would make?

A 9-year-old 20 gauge Beretta 391 Urika-2 Sporting, 28 and 30" barrels, estimated 8,000 rounds, excellent condition for a new 30 inch, 20 gauge Beretta A400 Xcel.


I would not trade the 391. They are excellent guns.
I would recommend buying the A-400 in 20 ga.
I have the Xplor and Xcel in 20 ga. Can’t go wrong with them!


Owning both the 391 Sporting and Xcel doesn't make practical sense for me because they both would serve the same role. If force to pick one which would it be?


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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:37 pm 
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2_at_low8 wrote:
PJR wrote:

The A400 is simpler to clean but they tend to have heavier triggers.


What is the typical trigger pull on the A400? My Xcel releases at a consistent 4 lb 13 oz.



Send trigger group to Cole for their $125 trigger job. Sadly it was just $95 last year. Still worth every penny as it will come back about 3.5 to 3.75 Lbs with all of the grit and creep removed.


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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:56 am 
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PJR wrote:
Dr Duk wrote:
PJR wrote:
In keeping with the theme of this thread is this a trade you would make?

A 9-year-old 20 gauge Beretta 391 Urika-2 Sporting, 28 and 30" barrels, estimated 8,000 rounds, excellent condition for a new 30 inch, 20 gauge Beretta A400 Xcel.


I would not trade the 391. They are excellent guns.
I would recommend buying the A-400 in 20 ga.
I have the Xplor and Xcel in 20 ga. Can’t go wrong with them!


Owning both the 391 Sporting and Xcel doesn't make practical sense for me because they both would serve the same role. If force to pick one which would it be?


Practical sense has nothing to do with it.
You cannot own too many guns, especially Berettas!! :B3




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