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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:53 pm 
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S.davis wrote:
Function aside, it's difficult to get past the cheap and chintzy look and feel of the A400. There may have been some technological improvements from the 300 to 400 actions, but overall build quality of Beretta semi-autos has nosedived.



absolutely. I think the pinnacle was pre-xtra wood 391 guns.




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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:25 am 
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RandyWakeman wrote:
S.davis wrote:
Function aside, it's difficult to get past the cheap and chintzy look and feel of the A400. There may have been some technological improvements from the 300 to 400 actions, but overall build quality of Beretta semi-autos has nosedived.


I agree with you: fake wood and more and more plastic. And more plastic.
Doesn’t Fabarm have fake grain?. Triwood?
I've had (by far) the most use and enjoyment from 303's, Browning B-80s, and 390s. All with actual, real, authentic walnut, metal trigger guards, metal safeties, and so on. They don't break and they are better built.


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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:21 am 
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Yep, they surely do. I'd say current fabarms are still a bit tackier than the A400 but both are very much lacking in quality finishes and subtlety in design. The garish red mall ninja bolt handle and mag cap on the L4S are an embarrassment every bit as much as the goofy smurf color on the A400.


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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:53 am 
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birdhunter39 wrote:
Yep, they surely do. I'd say current fabarms are still a bit tackier than the A400 but both are very much lacking in quality finishes and subtlety in design. The garish red mall ninja bolt handle and mag cap on the L4S are an embarrassment every bit as much as the goofy smurf color on the A400.


Agree with everything you say! {hs#


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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:43 pm 
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I also have all three. Every word about them is good. The bent carrier on the 391 is important.
Yes cleaning takes some time. Comes with the territory......


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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:18 pm 
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Dr Duk wrote:
RandyWakeman wrote:
S.davis wrote:
Function aside, it's difficult to get past the cheap and chintzy look and feel of the A400. There may have been some technological improvements from the 300 to 400 actions, but overall build quality of Beretta semi-autos has nosedived.


I agree with you: fake wood and more and more plastic. And more plastic.
Doesn’t Fabarm have fake grain?. Triwood?
I've had (by far) the most use and enjoyment from 303's, Browning B-80s, and 390s. All with actual, real, authentic walnut, metal trigger guards, metal safeties, and so on. They don't break and they are better built.



Yes, on some but not all of their guns. Their Hunter series guns do not, there are others as well, I believe.

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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:35 pm 
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Gee, I kinda like that red bolt handle on mine! But I’m also the guy who bought the Flannigan SX-3 with that bright red anodized aluminum receiver. Guess choice is what makes the world go ‘round. And by the way, I still like my 12 and 20 Model 303s better than the models that followed

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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:45 pm 
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Most (not all) people who complain about cleaning the 391 are probably cleaning it more than needed. I do a complete take down including gas system about every 1200 rounds. In between keep the piston,barrel, trigger and the rod the piston is mounted on clean.


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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
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lt0026 wrote:
Most (not all) people who complain about cleaning the 391 are probably cleaning it more than needed. I do a complete take down including gas system about every 1200 rounds. In between keep the piston,barrel, trigger and the rod the piston is mounted on clean.


I do the same with all my Beretta SAs.


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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:48 pm 
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lt0026 wrote:
Most (not all) people who complain about cleaning the 391 are probably cleaning it more than needed. I do a complete take down including gas system about every 1200 rounds. In between keep the piston,barrel, trigger and the rod the piston is mounted on clean.


When you say complete take down of the gas system, do you mean taking out the gas valve spring etc? Every 1,200 rounds?

My A400s get that level of deep clean once a year at Coles. Currently, each gun is sitting at about 2 jams per 10,000 rounds. Should I be cleaning deeper more often?

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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:28 pm 
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Yes on the 391 I take the entire gas system apart and soak it over night. Valve, centering ring and exhaust valve. Clean the cylinder attached to the barrel inside and out. Dunk piston overnight. Clean/lube receiver and bolt assembly. A few passes on the barrel with a tornado brush soaked in WD 40. Let set overnight. When I hear the action slowing down it's usually around 1200 rounds. Also depends how clean the ammo is you use. I have all the cleaning attachments for my drill. 30 minute job total. I would never push my 391 to 10k rounds before cleaning. Just makes the job more time consuming and I don't want to risk a malfunction issue. The only malfunction issue I ever had was with Clever ammo, the cheap stuff T-1 I think. http://www.standardamericanproducts.com/products/


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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:38 pm 
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blackandgold wrote:
lt0026 wrote:
Most (not all) people who complain about cleaning the 391 are probably cleaning it more than needed. I do a complete take down including gas system about every 1200 rounds. In between keep the piston,barrel, trigger and the rod the piston is mounted on clean.


When you say complete take down of the gas system, do you mean taking out the gas valve spring etc? Every 1,200 rounds?

My A400s get that level of deep clean once a year at Coles. Currently, each gun is sitting at about 2 jams per 10,000 rounds. Should I be cleaning deeper more often?


So, it jams about 1/5000 rounds.
Get rid of the POS! :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:08 pm 
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Dr Duk wrote:
blackandgold wrote:
lt0026 wrote:
Most (not all) people who complain about cleaning the 391 are probably cleaning it more than needed. I do a complete take down including gas system about every 1200 rounds. In between keep the piston,barrel, trigger and the rod the piston is mounted on clean.


When you say complete take down of the gas system, do you mean taking out the gas valve spring etc? Every 1,200 rounds?

My A400s get that level of deep clean once a year at Coles. Currently, each gun is sitting at about 2 jams per 10,000 rounds. Should I be cleaning deeper more often?


So, it jams about 1/5000 rounds.
Get rid of the POS! :lol:


It jams every time I change the recoil spring, exactly 1 time, using 7/8 1200fps loads. Otherwise, operates perfectly. Clearly, this design is a step backwards from the 303-391.

Oh, I did buy 2 matching K80s Parcours for when I want to be a big boy. 2 is 1 and 1 is none.

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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:40 pm 
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lt0026 wrote:
Most (not all) people who complain about cleaning the 391 are probably cleaning it more than needed. I do a complete take down including gas system about every 1200 rounds. In between keep the piston,barrel, trigger and the rod the piston is mounted on clean.

Every 2,000-2,500 rounds I will disassemble and clean the gas system and the forend cap. Every 500 rounds or so I will clean the barrel, bolt, bolt carrier, operating rod and trigger assembly.

IMO, the fussy part is reassembling the bolt, bolt carrier and operating rod. Once you get the knack of doing it putting the gun back together isn't challenging.


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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:32 am 
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I liked my 390 so much I bought a second one!


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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 10:12 am 
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Tokamecotom wrote:
I liked my 390 so much I bought a second one!


Good Plan!


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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 6:16 pm 
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Can someone expand upon the fake wood ?


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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Sat Dec 28, 2019 6:39 pm 
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You can google "Xtra-Grain" and "Xtra-Wood" or . . .

https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?p=820882

https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewto ... &p=2726147

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Xtra-Wood is a film coating that is put on the stock. It is a picture of wood. Xtra-Grain is a process done to the wood stock that enhances the grain of the wood that is already there. You can sand and refinish XTra-Grain, you have to have Xtra-Wood reapplied if damaged. Mark


Xtra-Wood WAS a dip: essentially a decal. Xtra-Grain is burned / laser streaks onto wood, and Xtra-Grain even has "Xtra-Grain" embossed into the stock. Xtra-Grain has been discontinued.

Current Xtra-Grain, however, is a dip:

Image

See: https://www.shop.colegun.com/collection ... -wood-sets

Xtra-grain, on sale for $560.

Beretta A400 Xcel 12ga Sporting Wood : $1200.

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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:07 pm 
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Wood doesn't break targets. If you want fancy wood pay another $700.00. The Beretta S/A's aren't exactly a high end gun. You get plenty of value with the Beretta S/A.


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 Post subject: Re: 390 vs 391 vs 400
PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:53 pm 
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lt0026 wrote:
Wood doesn't break targets. If you want fancy wood pay another $700.00. The Beretta S/A's aren't exactly a high end gun. You get plenty of value with the Beretta S/A.


definitely agree with this. For all the comments about how chintzy the A400 feels, I have to tell you they just run and run any ammo you plug into them. I am not a fanatic about having high end wood on my competition guns and definitely wouldn't upgrade wood on a S/A.

I shot them early on and wasn't interested. A few years passed and I bought the black coated one I have from Cole's and once I committed fully to it, I have shot it well.

As much as I liked the 391's I shot well over 100K rounds thru....I now would say that at least for me, the A400 is the better gun.



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