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 Post subject: advice: 690 or 686 sp sporting
PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:03 pm 
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I need advice please:

looking for a sporter 30''

the 690 looks nicer, wood, look
are they reliable?
ejector have been corrected, but what about the top tang bolt still breaking?
the dealer told me the was a problem with 692 top tang but he never had this problem with 690!
hard to believe.

Should I take a chance with the 690 or go with sometimes reliable the 686 sporting sp?

thanks for your help to make me decide




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 Post subject: Re: advice: 690 or 686 sp sporting
PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:26 pm 
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I'd stick to the 682/686/687 series. There's a reason why the 690/692 had such a short run while the 682/686/687 series is still being made.


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 Post subject: Re: advice: 690 or 686 sp sporting
PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:23 pm 
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mpolans wrote:
I'd stick to the 682/686/687 series. There's a reason why the 690/692 had such a short run while the 682/686/687 series is still being made.


+1, If I was in the market a 694 would be top of the list :)

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 Post subject: Re: advice: 690 or 686 sp sporting
PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:28 pm 
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690 is still being made as I understand it. Field models and Black. The 692 isn’t now that the 694 is here.

If the 690 is the budget and you decide 68X, I’d look for upgraded wood models from Coles/Joel Etchen

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 Post subject: Re: advice: 690 or 686 sp sporting
PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:23 pm 
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If I wasn't cursed with being a lefty, I'd be tempted by one of those 686 Onyx Pros.


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 Post subject: Re: advice: 690 or 686 sp sporting
PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:53 am 
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I have a buddy that has a 690 sporting, he's in love with it, he shoots it well, it's a great looking gun, has a nice swing and feel to it. I don't see the 690 going anywhere as it is an upgrade in the sense of wood etc.

If I'm not mistaken the 690 barrels have a longer forcing cone then 686 series, and the ejector issue was on the 692's only and was very very very very short lived.

If you have the chance shoot one, I think you'll be suprised.

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 Post subject: Re: advice: 690 or 686 sp sporting
PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:17 pm 
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What ever float your boat. What's the current price on the 690 and how does it compare to the 686 Onyx Pro?

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 Post subject: Re: advice: 690 or 686 sp sporting
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 1:22 pm 
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The new 686 guns have the newer very long forcing cones and the Optima HP chokes. I suspect they are the same barrels as on the 690 now. The barrels are much lighter than the MC barrels on my old SP sporting with the wide rib and side ribs and thick walls. Probably 6 oz or so. Looked at the 690. Liked it for a while. But went with a new SP sporting. My second SP sporting. A bargain price and the gun in hand did help sway the decision.. I am using the difference in price to upgrade the wood a little and to add a comb adjustor, something I need to shoot a Beretta O/U.


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 Post subject: Re: advice: 690 or 686 sp sporting
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:17 pm 
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The 690 began life with the same selectable ejectors as the 692 (and the earlier SV10s). For the last 18 months or so they've been fitted with conventional ejectors so there's every expectation that reliability will be as good as any 68X series gun.

Personally I really couldn't live with the bright red artwork but IMO it's a better handling gun with better weight distribution than the 686 and usually has nicer woodwork.

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 Post subject: Re: advice: 690 or 686 sp sporting
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:59 pm 
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Just ordered a 687 Signature Sporting from Joel Etchen. I will let you know how I like it. But it sure looks nice for the money.

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 Post subject: Re: advice: 690 or 686 sp sporting
PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:24 pm 
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gdub41 wrote:
I have a buddy that has a 690 sporting, he's in love with it, he shoots it well, it's a great looking gun, has a nice swing and feel to it. I don't see the 690 going anywhere as it is an upgrade in the sense of wood etc.

If I'm not mistaken the 690 barrels have a longer forcing cone then 686 series, and the ejector issue was on the 692's only and was very very very very short lived.

If you have the chance shoot one, I think you'll be suprised.

I'd be worried less about the ejector issue and more about the receiver screw breaking and the gun coming apart while shooting it.


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 Post subject: Re: advice: 690 or 686 sp sporting
PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:14 am 
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I think the 690 ejectors are not a problem,
where I am ambivalent is for that top tang screw breaking!

I know it happens with the 692, but how many times, on how many guns?
Never heard of this happening with the 690, but it is the same receiver?

Is it worth taking the chance for probably a better handling gun and better look?

Your ideas?


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 Post subject: Re: advice: 690 or 686 sp sporting
PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:53 am 
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For that kind of money you shouldn't be taking chances. Resale will be terrible on the 690. They have a bad reputation no matter what the case is. And yes, you probably will upgrade from a 690 or 686.


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 Post subject: Re: advice: 690 or 686 sp sporting
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:08 pm 
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I was looking at a 686 vs 69x sporting and went with a 694. I happened to find a 694 32" LH with really nice wood, better than I have seen generally on 694s. I have only taken it to the sporting clays course only once so far but put 200 shells through it. Handles terrific, great balance and swing.


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 Post subject: Re: advice: 690 or 686 sp sporting
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:31 pm 
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For the same price of a 690 (or less), you could get a used Perazzi MT6, the predecessor of the MX12 used by Kim Rhode to win several Olympic medals and George Digweed used to win sporting clays Euro and World Championships; locks up like a bank vault and handles like a dream.

Disclaimer: I own four of them and have one for sale in the classifieds section.


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 Post subject: Re: advice: 690 or 686 sp sporting
PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:50 pm 
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I have a 690 with 32" barrels. Love the handling, weight, and weight distribution. I’ve put around 6k rounds through it with no issues. Compared to a 686, to me, it is just a much more substantial, better handling gun. A pleasure to shoot.

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 Post subject: Re: advice: 690 or 686 sp sporting
PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:25 am 
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If you like 50 year old guns look at the used Perazzi MT6.


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 Post subject: Re: advice: 690 or 686 sp sporting
PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:43 pm 
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lt0026 wrote:
For that kind of money you shouldn't be taking chances. Resale will be terrible on the 690. They have a bad reputation no matter what the case is.
No doubt about it, the damage is done. They did resolve the ejector problem and bodged the top tang set screw with Loctite to prevent it from breaking but I'd bet my socks there'll be a new or facelifted version within twelve months.

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 Post subject: Re: advice: 690 or 686 sp sporting
PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:48 pm 
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mpolans wrote:
For the same price of a 690 (or less), you could get a used Perazzi MT6, the predecessor of the MX12 used by Kim Rhode to win several Olympic medals and George Digweed used to win sporting clays Euro and World Championships; locks up like a bank vault and handles like a dream.

Disclaimer: I own four of them and have one for sale in the classifieds section.

You do know that guys and gals like that can produce the exact same results with a $450 Yildiz, right? And no matter how well or poorly you shoot, it would not be any different with a Perazzi or a Yildiz. Having been used to win a major championship won't result in any brand/model gun improving your scores. If a brand/model of gun is "better", it is because it will last longer or look prettier, not because it will shoot better. Assuming, of course, the comparison is not being made to a defective item.

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 Post subject: Re: advice: 690 or 686 sp sporting
PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:30 pm 
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lt0026 wrote:
If you like 50 year old guns look at the used Perazzi MT6.


More like 35-45 year old, and they're built to last. I'll take my 35-45 year old MT6s over any of the Beretta 680 and 690 series and any Browning Citori (except a 725, as I haven't shot one). In fact, I've sold several several 682s and kept the MT6s.

I've currently also got a Zoli Kronos and a Perazzi MX3 Special and think the MT6 is at least on with them, and in some ways better.
Zoli Kronos - Good gun, but the trigger position screw keeps coming loose; I'm reluctant to use Loctite since allen wrench for it is so small. Trigger is removable, but hard to remove. Maybe it's just really light steel, but the forend iron feels like aluminum.
Perazzi MX3 Special - Selecting barrels is a PITA. My trigger is internally selectable. I could buy an externally selectable one, but that seems like a pretty expensive solution. The MT6's safety/selector lever on the top tang is super convenient. I also prefer removable chokes, so I had to get Briley Thinwalls (MT6 comes with removable chokes).




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