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 Post subject: 28ga Beretta
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:22 pm 
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I'm trying to find info on a 28ga. pertaining to the frame/action size. Seems some barrels are on 28ga frames and some are on 20ga frames. Can the serial number tell which frame is used without seeing the gun? Can anyone that has the small frame give me the measurements? Thanks




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 Post subject: Re: 28ga Beretta
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:21 pm 
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Which Beretta gun are you asking about? What measurement(s) are you needing. I have the 686 in 28ga if that is the gun you are referring to. I also have the A400 Xplor in 28ga.

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 Post subject: Re: 28ga Beretta
PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:14 pm 
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There is a small frame 28, sold as a 28 ga or as a 28/ .410 combo. There is also a 20 ga frame sold as a 20 or 20/28 combo. I have a small frame 686 28 ga. field gun.

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 Post subject: Re: 28ga Beretta
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:18 am 
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Dang.. should have stated I'm looking for info on the silver pigeon guns. I think the 680 series are probably all the same... not sure of this though.
I have a silver pigeon 20ga and would like to know the width, length and height of the frame for comparison. thanks


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 Post subject: Re: 28ga Beretta
PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:18 pm 
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I get a depth of 2.110" from immediately behind the bbls to the bottom of he receiver. 1.377" width at the shoulders, and a length of 3.180" from wood to forearm shoulder, measured parallel to the receiver bottom at the hinge pin centerline.

686 silver pigeon 28 ga. field grade. This is the small or baby frame receiver, not the 20 ga. receiver.

There are 3 sizes of 68x receivers. 12, 20, and 28 / .410 baby frame.

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 Post subject: Re: 28ga Beretta
PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 10:33 pm 
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Thank you John H... your info is appreciated.


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 Post subject: Re: 28ga Beretta
PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:22 pm 
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I have the two barrel field 20/28 combo.

My measurements with dial caliper are in John H's above order 2.215", 1.60" and 3.105". The big difference is the width at the shoulders.

I have a 1" Pachmayr Decelerator pad added to uncut wood to give me a 15 1/8" LOP. The weights in this configuration are 6#1.6oz with the 20 gauge barrels and 6#5.4oz with the 28 gauge barrels.

I consistently break more targets with 3/4 oz 1200 fps loads from the 28 gauge barrels than with 7/8 oz 1200 fps loads with the 20. My best guess is that the gun balances better with the 28 gauge barrels.


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 Post subject: Re: 28ga Beretta
PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:51 pm 
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I have both a 686 Silver Pigeons in 20 & 28 and the 28 is definitely built on a smaller frame. Mine are both over 8 years old. I don't think the 28 was ever built on a 20 froma (unless of course you get the 20/28 Combo).

Hope that helps.


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 Post subject: Re: 28ga Beretta
PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:18 am 
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MNGunner.... info is always helpful. I wanted measurements, so when inquiring about a gun without physically seeing the gun I can get the seller to take measurements of the frame. There seems to be lots of combination 20/28’s and one never knows, if a barrel has been sold separately. I wanted to know if serial number would give info on frame size. Anyone that has a combination can you enter the serial number on the Beretta website and see, if the gun is manufactured as a combination?


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 Post subject: Re: 28ga Beretta
PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:30 pm 
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nevermind wrote:
MNGunner.... info is always helpful. I wanted measurements, so when inquiring about a gun without physically seeing the gun I can get the seller to take measurements of the frame. There seems to be lots of combination 20/28’s and one never knows, if a barrel has been sold separately. I wanted to know if serial number would give info on frame size. Anyone that has a combination can you enter the serial number on the Beretta website and see, if the gun is manufactured as a combination?


Gotcha.

Sorry, I can't help you with your serial number question.


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 Post subject: Re: 28ga Beretta
PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:09 pm 
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Here you go: http://www.berettasupport.com/applications/tech_data/schematics_search_new.htm

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 Post subject: Re: 28ga Beretta
PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:19 pm 
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Thanks … desmobob.
I entered the Serial number of my 20ga and it did list it as a sporting 20/30, which is 20ga 30". I'm guessing a combo gun would be 20//28 and whatever barrel, so this would help to verify.


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 Post subject: Re: 28ga Beretta
PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:58 pm 
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nevermind wrote:
Thanks … desmobob.
I entered the Serial number of my 20ga and it did list it as a sporting 20/30, which is 20ga 30". I'm guessing a combo gun would be 20//28 and whatever barrel, so this would help to verify.


You're very welcome! Now, we need someone who owns a 20ga/28ga combo to run their serial number to see what the report looks like...

My small frame 28ga Silver Pigeon I shows this when I search the serial number:
Model: J6863M8
Product Description: 686 SLV PGN I, 28/28/MCF

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 Post subject: Re: 28ga Beretta
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:44 am 
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Best answer I can give... there are three choices/combinations:

1. 28ga barrels for 28ga/.410 receivers
2. 28ga barrels for 20ga receivers
3. 28ga barrels for 12ga receivers (these are rare as hen's teeth)

Which suits your needs? What Silver Pigeon do you have now and are seeking to add a 28ga barrel set?
Best bet? Contact Cole, or Joel Etchen.


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 Post subject: Re: 28ga Beretta
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:43 pm 
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I entered the s/n of my Joel Etchen 20ga/28ga combo (both barrel sets are 28") and here's the result:

Model: JS68706
Product Description: 687,SLV PGN II,COMBO,20-28/28"
Approximate Manufacture Date: 2006

At least we know that factory combo sets do show as such.


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 Post subject: Re: 28ga Beretta
PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:10 pm 
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Thanks FlyChamps your info will verify, if the gun was manufactured as a single or combo.

cflanon… I have 20ga silver pigeon 2's (3). I'm sort of looking for a silver pigeon 2 in a 28ga, but want to find one with small frame. Thanks all...


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 Post subject: Re: 28ga Beretta
PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm 
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Directly from Beretta’s website: 28 ga (Baby Frame). 2.0 inch frame height
20 ga. 2 1/8 inch frame height
12 ga. 2 5/16 inch frame height

These measurements for 686 and 687 shotguns.


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 Post subject: Re: 28ga Beretta
PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:58 am 
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MNGunner wrote:
I have both a 686 Silver Pigeons in 20 & 28 and the 28 is definitely built on a smaller frame. Mine are both over 8 years old. I don't think the 28 was ever built on a 20 froma (unless of course you get the 20/28 Combo).

Hope that helps.


The 28 ga was most definitely sold on the 20 ga frame. Had two of them, both were not 20/28 combos, just 28 ga. From what I have seen, the fore end usually gives it away. The 20 ga frames are a schnabel style with a flare at the end and the 28/410 frames are rounded the other way.




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