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 Post subject: Ithaca Knick SBT Question
PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:03 am 
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Greeting to the Board.
In his book on the Ithaca Gun Company, Snyder states that the Ithaca Flues SBT “Victory” grade guns “were not custom guns and were only available in factory specifications.” When the Knick design was introduced in 1922, it was also available in a Victory grade.
My question is whether or not the later Knick Victory models could be customized - such as with longer barrels, different stock dimensions, etc.?
TIA,
Tom




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 Post subject: Re: Ithaca Knick SBT Question
PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:45 am 
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Tom, Through 1928 all were 32 inch barrels but were ejector guns. Later records have been sent to the Buffalo Bill Museum. I have never heard of any other configurations.


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 Post subject: Re: Ithaca Knick SBT Question
PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:27 pm 
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Thanks. In addition to the 32” barrels & ejectors, do you know if these early Knick Victory SBTs also had straight grips? Thanks for your help.


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 Post subject: Re: Ithaca Knick SBT Question
PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:31 pm 
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The early ones I remember seeing did but I don't know if the later ones did as straight hand stocks tended to loose popularity. But I don't have a definitive answer to your question. :?:


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 Post subject: Re: Ithaca Knick SBT Question
PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:11 pm 
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In my collection of Ithaca catalogs, the Victory Grade Ejector was shown with a straight grip from the 1925 through the 1928-29 catalogs. They never mention a choice of grips and say the Victory Grade Ejector is made to standard specifications only, 32-inch - twin ivory beads -- recoil pad. Beginning with the 1929 catalog the Victory Grade Ejector is shown with a capped full pistol grip, other specs the same. The last appearance of the Victory Grade Ejector was the Fall 1936 catalog.


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 Post subject: Re: Ithaca Knick SBT Question
PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:14 pm 
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Great info - thanks to you both!


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 Post subject: Re: Ithaca Knick SBT Question
PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:16 am 
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OK - hopefully these are my last two questions this time around.
Snyder’s book states “The very earliest Knicks had mono-block barrel construction just like that of the Flues model. This was soon replaced with a one-piece barrel forging sometime between the 39th gun and the 65th gun.”
So, I’m not knowledgeable about these terms, but believe that “mono-block” means that the barrel was inserted into the block. Does “one-piece barrel forging” mean that the block and barrel were all one forging?
And - looking at one of these early Knicks - how would one tell which construction method was used?
The reason I’m asking all of these annoying questions is that I have my eye on an early Knick that falls in this range.
As always, thanks in advance,
Tom


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 Post subject: Re: Ithaca Knick SBT Question
PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:48 pm 
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Yes and yes. The mono-blocked guns will have a 'step' between the barrel and chamber block, the later KNICKS are a one piece forging-no step. See pages 117 and 118 in the Ithaca book-117 shows the momo-block and 118 the one piece forging. I do not think there is any shooting or strength difference. What grade is your gun of interest? Where do you live in the P=burgh area?


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 Post subject: Re: Ithaca Knick SBT Question
PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:58 pm 
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Thanks. It’s a 4E.
We live west of the city.


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 Post subject: Re: Ithaca Knick SBT Question
PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:04 pm 
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The reason I asked is because I will be in the North side early next week. Sewickley maybe?


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 Post subject: Re: Ithaca Knick SBT Question
PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:14 pm 
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Sent you a PM




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