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 Post subject: 37R
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:13 pm 
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Finally found a 20ga 37R, this one serial numbered to 1957, and there is some material at the threaded portion of the barrel which the seller surmised may be left from the rib attaching process. Anybody else find this with their R barrel?

A black pad was installed at some point, LOP matches my 1951 20ga with its plastic plate but it's an eyesore that will be greatly improved with a new Sunburst pad. Are they all the same item, whether from CSMC or any other source?

Not a fan of the Raybar sight so that will likely get a plain bead replacement, but having these two side-by-side illustrates for me the stock changes made between the guns with the new one missing comb flutes and a grip cap plus the shaping that went along with those differences.


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 Post subject: Re: 37R
PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:25 am 
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If you're interested in keeping the pad correct, I would suggest leaving the issue Raybar front sight in situ.

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 Post subject: Re: 37R
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:21 am 
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The reproduction sunburst pads come in large and small.

I think by 57' they were using up the inventory of aluminum based Sunbursts. They definitely still put them on the higher grade guns up into the 60's. These are not available as repros. Every once in awhile one pops up on eBay.

They were also using a thinner pad marked Ithaca at that time. Then I believe the "Woodcock" pad came along.

The Raybar is correct for that time frame. It should be the longer one with two bands. 6/48 thread. Not sure how hard it will be to find a proper brass bead.

Good luck. They are nice guns.


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 Post subject: Re: 37R
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:24 pm 
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Matt, if you can measure the bead diameter for him on a gun, here are some vintage beads that probably will work

https://www.ebay.com/c/1931921133

I would have to dig into the back of the safe, but I have a stress fractured ankle and don't feel like it today. Its getting better, but I am couch potato'ing this afternoon.

If you don't have one I will get a gun out.

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 Post subject: Re: 37R
PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:59 pm 
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Looks like number 4 would be about right.


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 Post subject: Re: 37R
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:33 am 
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kgb,

You've already received advice from two of the most knowledgeable folks on this site who generously share their wisdom. I only reluctantly chime in because these issues are freshly on my mind with current projects under way.

As far as the coppery looking material near the barrel threads, I can only offer that I've owned several solid ribs and never seen this.

I have fitted 3 of the Galazan pads and have been happy with the results. These have been 16 and 20 gauges and I just confirmed that these have been the size small. Frank Vallone (gunsmith) may still have OEM pads that he sells and I just found an email quote from him to supply and do the install for $100. But, that was almost 5 years ago.

Concerning brass vs. Raybar sights, I've put Raybar on older pre-war guns and one about the same vintage as yours. My preference now is swinging towards brass. I've just ordered a couple from Brownells, but the diameter is the next size down 0.130. I'm sure Matt is correct in recommending the larger, but this size seemed more visually appropriate to my tastes. Once I have these in hand, I can circle back in.


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 Post subject: Re: 37R
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:25 pm 
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Thanks, PNW, that's what I was looking for. Never will turn down the observations of experienced shotgunners, that's why I ask here, but you answered the questions I asked directly and I appreciate that as well. I figure the small size pad will work especially as the stock was shortened and 5" is plenty to take the toe line of the stock the full way out, good to know you've proved it on your own guns. Originality is not an issue for me here, once the stock's been cut the cat is out of the proverbial bag and getting an Ithaca-correct style is more important than an originally correct, specific item. Same goes for the Ray-Bar, I've owned several 37's with them but don't really like one for actual shooting which is the reason I own them. I had a 1961 RVD 12ga which looked to be entirely original and was a really nice gun, but when I shot it I just took the sight off. Put it back on when the gun went on the market.

I would have guessed the bead on my 1951 gun was silver, but just took it out and found it's a brass bead of .140". I'd look for a similar one, but anything close of either color would work. I'm not in a category of collector with these guns, like them more for their place in history and utility.

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 Post subject: Re: 37R
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:24 pm 
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I've got a 1954 RD in 16 gauge. When I reblued it I put on a brass bead and painted it red as Ithaca once did on their T's and S's prior to Raybars. Also have a prewar R that came with a Polychoke equipted with a Bradley white bead.(my favorite)


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 Post subject: Re: 37R
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:32 pm 
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I have a 1949 solid rib gun in great condition. It also has a King Ferry vent rib, choke tube barrel that has been fitted to it. It was not serial nbr'ed to it, somehow the barrel was separated from the one it was made for, then recut/refit to the 49 sometime in its life.

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 Post subject: Re: 37R
PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:07 pm 
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For its first day out at least, the 37R worked as well as the standard 37 and the glow worm out there wasn't much noticed. On closer examination, there is a chip out of the near end of it but that doesn't seem to affect the way it gathers light and presents an orange dot.



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 Post subject: Re: 37R
PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:56 pm 
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Nice to see your 20 gauge being put to use in the field! A good 'first date'!




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