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 Post subject: Winchester model 12 20ga super field value?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:29 am 
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I was wondering what the current valve of a super field grade was now days. It’s a 28in full 20ga matted rib mfg date 1957. Gun is 85%+ all original. Was thinking of picking it up due to I’d have around $1700 in it. Just never owned one and hate to get burnt.




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 Post subject: Re: Winchester model 12 20ga super field value?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:12 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Winchester model 12 20ga super field value?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:35 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Winchester model 12 20ga super field value?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 8:19 pm 
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The Model 12 Super Grade Field Gun is so easily faked, I'd be terrified to pay much of a premium for one.

The catalog text for the Model 12 Super Grade Field Gun says "Steel Grip Cap" from its introduction in the 1955 Winchester catalog --

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December 1956 --

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January 2, 1958 --

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Until the Model 12 Super Grade Field Gun was discontinued, January 2, 1959 --

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and I seem to see the old hard rubber grip cap in the tiny picture.


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 Post subject: Re: Winchester model 12 20ga super field value?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:11 pm 
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I have a 20 gauge ss# 16500 about the same as that one, mine has the steel grip cap, red bradley bead sight, ex nice grain wood stock, hard red rubber pad, sold to me in the 1980 as a super field, i paid 700.00 for it.


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 Post subject: Re: Winchester model 12 20ga super field value?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:53 pm 
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And inflation since 1980 is more than 300% - not saying that sets the price for one today, but it wasn't that cheap in 1980.


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 Post subject: Re: Winchester model 12 20ga super field value?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:56 pm 
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Would it be possible that someone ordered it with that cap or just liked that one better and swapped them out? Is there any real way to know it one is real? I just don’t see why it would fall in the right serial range and have all the right features besides a butt cap.


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 Post subject: Re: Winchester model 12 20ga super field value?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:12 pm 
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oakisland wrote:
I have a 20 gauge ss# 16500 about the same as that one, mine has the steel grip cap, red bradley bead sight, ex nice grain wood stock, hard red rubber pad, sold to me in the 1980 as a super field, i paid 700.00 for it.





I’d say if you happen to land a real super field for that you got a great deal. I seen a 12ga online that said it sold for 2k which I thought was big money for a 12ga. And I thought it will only go up for the smaller bore guns. All these folks faking stuff for profit is ruining it for us real collectors that’s trying to obtain a real piece of history


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 Post subject: Re: Winchester model 12 20ga super field value?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:21 pm 
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$700 back in 1980 was a whole lot of money when compared to today


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 Post subject: Re: Winchester model 12 20ga super field value?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:57 pm 
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Very likely 75% of the folks who would want a Model 12 have passed on since 1980.

The very plain straight grained wood in the stock of the gun in question looks a lot more like 1940s Model 12 Skeet Gun wood than the wood I've seen on the very few righteous Model 12 Super Grade Field Guns I've seen.


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 Post subject: Re: Winchester model 12 20ga super field value?
PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:38 pm 
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Researcher01 wrote:
Very likely 75% of the folks who would want a Model 12 have passed on since 1980.

The very plain straight grained wood in the stock of the gun in question looks a lot more like 1940s Model 12 Skeet Gun wood than the wood I've seen on the very few righteous Model 12 Super Grade Field Guns I've seen.

Thanks for the information I may just pass and keep chasing model 42s. I don’t want to take a chance of it being fake. Thanks everyone


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 Post subject: Re: Winchester model 12 20ga super field value?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:48 am 
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[quote="Researcher01"]The Model 12 Super Grade Field Gun is so easily faked, I'd be terrified to pay much of a premium for one.

Could you please expand on the counterfeiting of the Super Grade?

I'm presuming the "why" is pretty obvious (because it's a valuable and relatively rare model), but the "how" has me stumped: specifically, how is a Super Field grade counterfeited in any sort of cost-effective way?

Thanks in advance for your insight.


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 Post subject: Re: Winchester model 12 20ga super field value?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 12:58 pm 
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Don't want to name names, but with two million Model 12s made there are a lot of parts out there, and there are those who laid in quite the supplies of barrels and parts back when Winchester unloaded them. One of my shooting buddies, now deceased, was a master of the Model 12 fake. A roach from the local pawn shop would be whatever he wanted it to be a couple of months later. He could properly polish a Model 12 receiver and his bluing guy could certainly get the right color.




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