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Author:  Hquiles [ Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:31 am ]
Post subject:  Winchester Model 12 20ga

I've been looking for a few pre64 shotguns models in 20ga, like the Winchester Model 12, Ithaca 37 and Remington Model 17.

Saw a few at gunbroker. Some were in really bad condition, others, asked the seller for info and shipping but no answer, and finally, this one:

A Winchester Model 12 20ga.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/877250278

In the description, the seller says it's a "$7,200" shotgun.

What can you guys tell me about it?

I really want a shooter, with a MOD barrel, no cutts or polychoke. But I got curious about this one.

Author:  longislandloco [ Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Winchester Model 12 20ga

Nice gun, it will bring a good number...............but for a field gun I'd pass, be patient, there are nice ones out there for a reasonable price.

Author:  Walt Lister [ Sat Aug 22, 2020 1:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Winchester Model 12 20ga

$7200---?? HAHAHAHA. Where do I start? Buffed and reblued, altered stock, no rib, Cutts. I collected mdl 12s for years and even if the Cutts is original to the gun I wouldn't pay $1K for it. A problem with refinished prewar target guns is that you have no idea of how hard they were used before they were refinished. Some hard used target guns wear excessive head space, end up with extractors weakened and worn, and other wear problems.

Author:  Researcher01 [ Sat Aug 22, 2020 1:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Winchester Model 12 20ga

First to irritate me the dealer calls it a special order Skeet Grade. No such thing as a Skeet Grade. It is a Skeet Gun. It is not "special ordered" it is a regular catalog symbol gun G1262S.

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with all the issues mentioned above plus a non-original grip cap. It is a pretty scarce gun, but with all its issues IMHO it is worth a lot less than $7,200.

Author:  casonet [ Sat Aug 22, 2020 1:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Winchester Model 12 20ga

If you can’t find what you are looking for, I’ve been thinking about selling my 20 ga Skeet gun. Built in 1963 it’s in little used 98% original condition with a type 3 vent rib

Author:  Hquiles [ Sat Aug 22, 2020 2:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Winchester Model 12 20ga

casonet wrote:
If you can’t find what you are looking for, I’ve been thinking about selling my 20 ga Skeet gun. Built in 1963 it’s in little used 98% original condition with a type 3 vent rib


I just want a Model 12, Ithaca 37 or a Rem 17 in 20ga. Nothing special. Just want it for dove hunting. Without cutts or polychoke, MOD barrel.

But, I'm not in any hurry. Thanks for the offer.

Author:  cclark31 [ Sat Aug 22, 2020 4:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Winchester Model 12 20ga

Hquiles wrote:
casonet wrote:
If you can’t find what you are looking for, I’ve been thinking about selling my 20 ga Skeet gun. Built in 1963 it’s in little used 98% original condition with a type 3 vent rib


I just want a Model 12, Ithaca 37 or a Rem 17 in 20ga. Nothing special. Just want it for dove hunting. Without cutts or polychoke, MOD barrel.

But, I'm not in any hurry. Thanks for the offer.


You thought about a 16ga? My model 12 16ga with a mod barrel is a dove killing machine.

They seem to be a little cheaper than the 20 gauges.... sometimes.

Author:  casonet [ Sat Aug 22, 2020 4:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Winchester Model 12 20ga

If they have a more open choke than modified and a solid rib, then they are much more expensive. Mod and full plain bbl models are very reasonable

Author:  wraco [ Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Winchester Model 12 20ga

There's too many things haywire with that Gunbroker gun to be of any real value. . I'd sooner have a good original field grade 20 ga any day. . Sometimes the harder you look the harder it is to find.

About a year and a half ago i was wandering around a local gun show, not really needing anything, and went around everything two or three times until I stopped at one table to look through his reloading dies and powder. He was busy with someone else so I poked around and there in the back of his display I saw a small rack full of 3 or 4 guns with one being a 20 ga M12. . I asked to look at it and it was a M12, 1948, 20 ga skeet gun, solid rib. Looked in excellent condition with a bit of bluing loss on the bottom of the receiver. . These 3 or 4 guns was from an estate he was selling and the 20 ga was the original owners grouse gun. . The gun has absolutely zero bolt droop and the take up bushing is on the first notch. . Nothings been messed with, all original.

The moral of this story is keep looking, they're still out there and one day when you least expect, there'll it'll be.

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If you're curious as to what's in the leather case, I took a couple of photos.
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Author:  map17 [ Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Winchester Model 12 20ga

Rod, that S/R 20 of yours is gorgeous! I'm looking at a 20 gauge skeet model with a factory vent rib now on one of the gun websites, but I'd so prefer a solid rib. Is yours a 26" or 26 and 3/4" ?

Author:  cclark31 [ Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Winchester Model 12 20ga

wraco wrote:
There's too many things haywire with that Gunbroker gun to be of any real value. . I'd sooner have a good original field grade 20 ga any day. . Sometimes the harder you look the harder it is to find.

About a year and a half ago i was wandering around a local gun show, not really needing anything, and went around everything two or three times until I stopped at one table to look through his reloading dies and powder. He was busy with someone else so I poked around and there in the back of his display I saw a small rack full of 3 or 4 guns with one being a 20 ga M12. . I asked to look at it and it was a M12, 1948, 20 ga skeet gun, solid rib. Looked in excellent condition with a bit of bluing loss on the bottom of the receiver. . These 3 or 4 guns was from an estate he was selling and the 20 ga was the original owners grouse gun. . The gun has absolutely zero bolt droop and the take up bushing is on the first notch. . Nothings been messed with, all original.

The moral of this story is keep looking, they're still out there and one day when you least expect, there'll it'll be.

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If you're curious as to what's in the leather case, I took a couple of photos.
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Both beautiful guns. Thanks for sharing.

Author:  wraco [ Mon Aug 24, 2020 3:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Winchester Model 12 20ga

map17 wrote:
Rod, that S/R 20 of yours is gorgeous! I'm looking at a 20 gauge skeet model with a factory vent rib now on one of the gun websites, but I'd so prefer a solid rib. Is yours a 26" or 26 and 3/4" ?


I'm not 100% certain but I believe the 20 ga skeet vented rib wasn't available until the 3-pin and not certain if they left the barrel at 26 3/4".


- My M12, 20 ga, SR skeet is 26". . My M12, 12 ga, 2-pin VR, ws-1, skeet is 26 3/4".

- I have a M12, 12 ga plain barrel, pre-war, ws-1, skeet also a 26" barrel.

- An odd one, I have, is a M12, SR, pre-war, 12 ga skeet, full choke 30" barrel.

Rod

Author:  M12Gunboy [ Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Winchester Model 12 20ga

I have a Model 12 20 Gauge Trap Gun (AKA TRAP Grade) marked MODEL-12-TRAP on receiver extension with 28" Solid Rib choked FULL with correct LOP and correct factory solid red recoil pad. Think it's a 1939 gun. Correct checkering and LPI without grip cap. Its engraved in a #5 factory pattern by Pauline with letter. 98%. It was completely gone through by the late Jim Wegand, after Pauline did engraving. Not asking BB of $7500 but $3500 would probably buy it. Email me if interested and I can email photos. [email protected]

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