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 Post subject: New to me super x1
PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2020 3:21 pm 
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I had a hard time sleeping last couple nights, since I saw this beauty.
Got it picked up this morning, brought it home, and disassembled it first thing. Man I'm excited now. It has already had a stainless magazine installed,which I was planning, and the bolt buffer is complete, not hard either. I'm hoping that I might shoot if some tomorrow, if the weather holds out.

One question, I plan on using for mostly trap. So I was planning on some kind of shell catcher, T&S maybe if I could find one. Or at least a shell deflector. But, while I was cleaning it up I noticed two small holes drilled in the reciever on the barrel extension. I was hoping someone else could confirm it may have been drilled for a wire type of catcher. I've read some people used piano wire. What size and length would I need?




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 Post subject: Re: New to me super x1
PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2020 3:33 pm 
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Picture of the barrel extension.


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 Post subject: Re: New to me super x1
PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2020 3:43 pm 
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Can’t help you but that is a beautiful shotgun.


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 Post subject: Re: New to me super x1
PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2020 3:51 pm 
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Thank you. Blued steel, and hardwood, good for the soul.


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 Post subject: Re: New to me super x1
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 6:51 pm 
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SmittyC,

Yep some smiths drilled the barrel extension for a wire shell defector/catcher but I don't know the specs.
You might check with Steve Fischer down in Florida, he is a Super X specialist. Also the SX-1's don't throw the shell 90 degrees but slightly forward where they won't hit a squad member.
Are you sure the magazine is stainless ? The trap models came with a chrome plated magazine OEM.
The recoil pad looks to be original, so it is probably as soft as a hockey puck. A good Limbsaver or microcell pad would be a good choice.
Do enjoy when you get it all set up. These SX-1's are the best semi auto ever made and the trap barrels cream targets.

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 Post subject: Re: New to me super x1
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2020 10:14 pm 
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Searun, thanks for the help. I believe that it is the stainless magazine tube that Brownell's used to sell. I'm not real convinced that it was always a trap gun. There is no engraving on the side panel of the receiver. Do you know if some trap models were plain? I actually wondered if someone just took a field model and added trap wood. The barrel is just a full, not a trap full. I was able to shoot it today, shot about 9 rounds, not one miss. Then the piston assembly froze up. When I disassembled the other evening I didn't remove the piston head and it was seized to the piston sleve. It was binding on the magazine. I was able this evening to get them apart, little heat, penetrating oil, and a little persuasion, small block of wood, hammer, and a vice. Got them all cleaned up now. Now it's just a wait till next Thursday evening for range night. Hope to clean the rest of the 25. As to the recoil pad, it does have some give to it, so it's not completely rock hard. I've been shooting a two pin model 12 for the last two seasons, felt recoil with only 9 shots seemed real light compared to the 12. Shooting gun club light 8's in both guns. Got my first 25 straight with the 12, hopefully first 50 with the super x.
Thanks again for the encouragement.

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 Post subject: Re: New to me super x1
PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:56 am 
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SmittyC,

Near the end of production there were some guns assembled with the remaining parts on hand and some of those guns were trap guns but without the engraved receivers. Those guns had serial numbers in the high 88xxx and the 89xxx range. They also had the gold stage III triggers left over from the DU and Mississippi guns. On the other hand many field grade SX-1 have been changed or upgraded by replacing barrels and stocks.
Clean the gas system parts with a brass wire wheel. I wipe on a very thin film CLP on all the gas parts as this retards carbon build up and makes cleaning much easier.
Barrels marked "Full"are field barrels that have the same constriction as the "Trap Full" but were not tested for pattern or percentage and have a little lower POI.
Get one of those pads I recommended and it will shoot even softer.

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 Post subject: Re: New to me super x1
PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:45 pm 
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Searun

Thanks a lot for the information. My serial number is a low 78xxx number, and I've got a smooth black trigger. It seems to have a lot of slack before becoming solid. Had trigger pull checked, right at 3 lbs. I'm not to sure yet, but it seems really light compared with the model 12 I've been shooting. Of course I've only shot 9 rounds so far, will have to shoot it some more to know I guess. I've not been to successful in running down the year of manufacturer. Seems like there was a lot of records lost. Same problem I was having with my 101. I'm pretty stoked, am really looking forward to shooting it some more this coming Thursday.

Thanks again.
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 Post subject: Re: New to me super x1
PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:47 pm 
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That trigger slack is very easy to take up with an Allen wrench. Just adjust the set screw to your satisfaction

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 Post subject: Re: New to me super x1
PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:02 pm 
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I'm not sure where the Allen screw us your speaking of. I thought I had read they was adjustable on some triggers, but not on others. Do I need to disassemble the trigger to access the screw?


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 Post subject: Re: New to me super x1
PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:43 pm 
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SmittyC,

The stage III triggers, which you have do not have the allen adjustment screw. The factory replaced the Stage I triggers with that screw because many were adjusted incorrectly and causing a lot of problems.
Nu-Line guns can fix that slack by sending them the trigger. They can also change the let off if you want.
Seeing your serial number, it is now clear that your gun started life as a field gun and has been upgraded for trap.
Seeing your approx. serial number your gun was probably manufactured about 1979. The actual records have been lost.

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 Post subject: Re: New to me super x1
PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:39 pm 
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Searun

Thanks for helping me out. I was kind of believing that it did start life as a field model, thanks for your thoughts on that as well. It, to me at least, makes it better that way. Now I can shoot the daylights out of it and not feel like I'm shooting one that should be saved back. Truth is I'm really just into shooters anyway. I really liked the wood that was already on it, plus it was monte carlo stocked. It fits pretty close the same as my model 12 two pin trap.


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 Post subject: Re: New to me super x1
PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:46 pm 
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A couple pictures of the 12.


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 Post subject: Re: New to me super x1
PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:19 pm 
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SmittyC,

Sweet Model 12, " The finest repeater ever made".
Also appears to have the rare straight comb trap stock.
In my opinion a 30" M12 and a 30" SX-1 feel almost the same mounting and swinging.

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 Post subject: Re: New to me super x1
PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:24 pm 
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I was able Thursday night, to shoot a couple rounds of trap with the X1. First round I was shooting gun club light 8's. Didn't shoot that round so well. The X didn't seem to like the light 8's, they wouldn't kick the bolt back far enough to lock open. Shot second round with heavy 8's, hit 23 out of 25, felt a whole lot better. I did spray some CLP into the holes that feed the piston, they was clear. However now I'm thinking I need to use a very fine drill bit to see if they are closed up with crud, and such. Will have to wait for a week now to get my hands back on it, have sent it off along with a 101 to have the trigger slack taken up. But, I'm confident I'll get it worked out.
I did end up having a really good night however. Shot 47 out of 50, from the 16, with the 12. Then shot a round of doubles and somehow managed 46 of 50, With the model 12. What a adrenaline rush it was.


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 Post subject: Re: New to me super x1
PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:32 pm 
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This is what you need for cleaning the gas ports. https://www.amazon.com/Hot-Max-22034-St ... B005TGLDVU

My SX1's (3) cycle light loads including 7/8 oz. just fine.


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 Post subject: Re: New to me super x1
PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:39 am 
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SmittyC,

Your 30" barrel is a field barrel made for shooting waterfowl with HD loads. Because of this they have the smallest ports in the barrel, compared to shorter or target barrels.
For shooting target loads drill out both ports with a #47 drill (.078"). Be careful and go slow at high speed so as not to snag the small drill and possibly break it off in the port. Usually you need a pin vise to hold the small drill. If the drilling leaves burrs in the bore you can remove them with a stainless tornado brush.
I have never seen a SX-1 barrel's ports plugged. There is such high pressure there that they are always blown clean.
Also you said that your gas system was rusted and frozen. Check that the piston rings have good tension in the barrel shroud and on the magazine and have no more than .020" end gap when installed. You should be able to feel each ring drag, not move freely. If not get new rings from Nu-Line Guns.

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 Post subject: Re: New to me super x1
PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:09 pm 
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Nice looking SX-1

i have used the SAVE-IT shell catcher on my SX-1 since it was new - first year of production. I don't remember it by that name. But it's listed for sale at birchwoodcasey.com

https://birchwoodcasey.com/products?category=107

It is applied with double sided tape. Holds very well. And, the wire can be removed from the catcher. No need to remove the catcher from the gun to hunt or shoot doubles. If you do want to remove it there is no mark left from the tape.

I'm pretty old now - my SX-1 is pretty heavy for me to handle. I bought a Benelli Vinci. It shoots too high - I think it's the raised rib that I'm having trouble adjusting to. But it's light and has very, very, low recoil. I see they have a new model of their Montefeltro with the Comfortech stock. The Monte has a flat rib - inline with the top of the receiver.

I'm going to post a picture of the shell catcher I made for Vinci. It's actually a modified version of the SAVE-IT listed above. I was going to have it powder coated black. But the guy wanted $30 plus shipping. It would look better on any blued gun if it were black.

I can't remove the wire but I don't hunt anymore anyway. This thing works darn good. If anyone wants more info on the modifications, just post in this thread - I'll keep an eye on it. This may work for other autoloaders as well as my Benelli.

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 Post subject: Re: New to me super x1
PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:49 am 
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Thanks everyone for the replies. I was able to get the gun to a gunsmithing this passed week. He was successful in taking nearly all of the creep in the trigger out, for me. Still has a small amount, but way better. I feel I'm really going to like it when I get to shooting it. So far only got to shoot 6 rounds through it. And while I was at it, and since it was already drilled, I asked him to bend some wire for a shell catcher. Hopefully get a chance to shoot it some more in the next couple days to check progress.

Thanks again.
SmittyC


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 Post subject: Re: New to me super x1
PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:53 pm 
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Well, still having some difficulty. Tried to shoot some more today. I recieved, from nuline, a new standard recoil spring. I got it installed this afternoon. Still doesn't cycle. I tried a few different shells, light 8's. Heavy 8's, gun clubs, and Winchester super targets. Bolt barely moved on each. After searching some on the net, I'm now wondering if I'm missing a part on the piston assembly. Did all of the x1's have the ring directly behind the o ring? I believe it's called the gas seal? I was looking at a exploaded view and discovered I don't have this ring.

Thanks in advance
SmittyC




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