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 Post subject: 11-87P Reliability?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:00 am 
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A local dealer has a NOS 11-87P for sale. I've been reading old threads here and wanted to update my reading. There seem to be some who think Remington messed up with the 11-87, that the 1100 is a more reliable shotgun (and that newer shotgun designs are even better). That doesn't really square with my memory, if the gun is kept reasonably clean and the o-rings are maintained. So -

Can current/former 11-87, especially 11-87P, owners comment on their reliability experiences?

Bonus points for experience with Federal LE132 reduced recoil loads vs. LE127 full velocity.

Thanks in advance.




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 Post subject: Re: 11-87P Reliability?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:15 am 
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I own 2 1187’s. SP and light contour. They are mid 90’s or so.

Lc has well over 10k. But never really counted. Sometimes with the rifled slug barrel, but mostly with 8 shot. I’ve been using this one the most in recent years.

Sp has over 5k, maybe approaching 10, again, never really counted.

Replaced a couple O rings over the years. Maybe 2-3x each.

Only ever had one other issue. Estate shells were so dirty that one flat, actually 5 boxes, cause the shells to fail to extract. Cleaned. 5 remaining boxes. Happened again. (The claw, post and spring rolled out and fell into my hand) this was maybe ‘14 or ‘15 maybe.

Cleaned again and never had the issue again. Never had the issue before that flat of estates either. Never bought estates since.

Almost bought a used one a while ago, 20g, but funds were too tight.


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 Post subject: Re: 11-87P Reliability?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:44 pm 
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Perhaps you do not agree with what you have read about the 11-87P, because you are concerned with reliability, LE 132-00B, and LE127-00B.

Many people want to know what they can adjust to "reliably" target practice with 1 ounce bargain loads. They should not expect the police barrel of an 11-87P to function like that. The gas orifices of the police barrel are 0.110" and must not be enlarged. There is no pressure compensating gas system. With the short police barrel, there must remain sufficient gas pressure past the ports to cycle the action. The 11-87P requirements are different from any other 11-87 model.

If you buy the NOS 11-87P, then you should target practice with LE127-00B, stash 2 flats of LE127-00B, and keep the gun cruiser-ready with LE127-00B.

Often people think that a 00B pellet weighs 1/8 ounce or that 9 pellets weigh 1-1/8 ounce. Buckshot manufacturers print the number of pellets but not their weight on the boxes. Theoretically, one 00B pellet would weigh 53.8 grains and have a diameter of 0.330", and nine pellets would weigh 1.108 ounces, slightly less than 1-1/8 ounces. One Federal LE 00B pellet weighs about 50 grains with a diameter of about 0.32", and nine pellets weigh about 1.03 ounces, much less than 1-1/8 ounce.

That 1.03 ounce payload makes no difference in a pump shotgun, but it does in a 11-87P. A reduced recoil load at 1145 fps is insufficient, but push those nine pellets at 1325 fps and the 11-87P cycles reliably.

Federal does not give dram equivalents for the LE loads. LE132-00B weighs about 1 ounce and has a MV of 1145 fps. A dram equivalency table shows a 2.75" shell with a 1 ounce shot charge and a MV of 1180 fps has a 2-3/4 dram equivalent. So I am confident that LE132-00B is 2-3/4 dram equivalent or less. LE127-00B weighs about 1 ounce and has a MV of 1325 fps. The table is not complete, but a 2.75" shell with a 1-1/4 ounce shot charge and a MV of 1300 fps has a 3-3/4 dram equivalent. By extrapolation, I am confident that LE127-00B is 3-3/4 dram equivalent or more.

Remington has not published a minimum dram equivalent requirement for the 11-87P, but a 3-1/2 dram equivalent would be a good starting point. Good luck, sir.

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 Post subject: Re: 11-87P Reliability?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:59 am 
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I'd skip the "P" model. Get a standard sporting 11-87. As to reliability, It's an excellent shotgun. Between my boys and I we have 3 of them. Two 20's and a 12. I've shot the bejesus out of the 12 ga over the 24 years I've owned it, and had two parts failures. The feed latch and the extractor. The parts were inexpensive and easy to replace. Outside of those failures, I don't think it's ever jammed. I usually change o-rings about every 2 years. With the exception of the Premier, 11-87's display a lesser finish quality than the 1100's, but are every bit as reliable. The aforementioned extractor breakage is not unheard of in the 1100 family, and the '87 actually has a heavier extractor. It's a very good shotgun.

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 Post subject: Re: 11-87P Reliability?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:49 pm 
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I just picked up a used 11-87P last year off of GunBroker. I'm out of the country most of the year but I have been able to put about 200 rounds through it. I haven't had any issues with buckshot or slugs, including low recoil. My go to round is the LE 132 and I've put about 20 rounds of that through without a hiccup. I tried 5 or 6 different birdshot loads and I found that anything over 1300fps ran reliability. Anything under didn't. As much as I hate Walmart, you can find reliable birdshot for $5-6 an box of 25. As for the shotgun itself, I love mine. The weight and the balance works for me and it is light recoiling. JMHO. Good luck.


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 Post subject: Re: 11-87P Reliability?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:29 pm 
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A belated thanks to all. Purchased the 11-87P and several cases of LE127.




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