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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg Shockwave
PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 12:02 am 
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Half the shops in my area will not sell it until the ISP pubiishes a ruling on its legality. The others say they can't get them but will sell them when available. If any shotgun doesn't have a sporting purpose
It the shockwaves. Ill wait to see what others get away with before indulging.



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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg Shockwave
PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:54 pm 
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Half the shops in my area will not sell it until the ISP pubiishes a ruling on its legality. The others say they can't get them but will sell them when available. If any shotgun doesn't have a sporting purpose
It the shockwaves. Ill wait to see what others get away with before indulging.


First of all, what does the Second Amendment have to do with sports? It is not about hunting. This is not about "getting away" with something either. It is about exercising a constitutional right and a right not exercised will soon be lost. The more of these that end up in private hands the less likely that the BATF will try to restrict them.
Again, I think that this thing is an impractical gimmick but I will probably buy one just to play with and in defiance of those who wish to usurp the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

Look at the success that the gay rights movement has had. The practice of sodomy has gone from a serious crime to protected minority status in roughly half a lifetime. This did not happen by timidly waiting to see what others could get away with. They got things changed by aggressive in your face activism and boldly defying the law. If gun owners had the same amount of guts these faggots have we could have ended all federal gun laws decades ago.

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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg Shockwave
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:09 am 
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Just a reminder, any firearm with a bore diameter greater than 0.5" is a destructive device unless the Attorney General and BATFE recognizes it as particularly suitable for sporting purposes. I tend to avoid in your face activism that dares an ERT to stack up in front of my doors.

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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg Shockwave
PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:55 pm 
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If just one tenth of one percent of the gun owning public sawed their shotguns off to a less than legal length and all showed up with them at the Washington mall demanding to be locked up and given "three hots and a cot" it would crash the system. Have you learned nothing from the civil rights movement? They have a formula that works.

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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg Shockwave
PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:12 pm 
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Sorry to counter/predict, Ezra: DIFFERENT yet no possibly visceral media-portrayed/lay-perceived public sympathy/effect, & ain't gonna happen in this term. Also no evil better-mass-shootable SBRs.

Best thing coming is intended the "personal hearing protection" no-stamp-the-can legislative effort...

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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg Shockwave
PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:29 am 
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I went to the range with my 500 with the raptor birds head grip. Did a walking and firing drill from 20 yards out to 10 yards with 6 rounds of 00 buck. I have had some experience with this combo on a 870 and could get pretty decent hits some years ago. The Mossy bit my hand with the tang safety and my accuracy was flat out awful. 54 "00" lead balls went down range and only one hit on the periphery of the IDPA target I was "aiming" at. I am embarrassed at such a poor performance. Just proves my point that for me it is not a good option.

Maybe having a Shockwave in the house as a simple "thumb my nose at the NFA" is a reason to get one. That's about it as far as I am concerned.

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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg Shockwave
PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 10:20 pm 
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FotoTomas wrote:
Maybe having a Shockwave in the house as a simple "thumb my nose at the NFA" is a reason to get one. That's about it as far as I am concerned.


My sentiments exactly.

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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg Shockwave
PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 6:30 pm 
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I got my shockwave a couple of days ago. I took it out yesterday and fired a couble mag tubes of Remington 00buck Through it. The action is a little on the rough side,but i'm sure it will smooth up with use. I dislike the strap on the fore end. The screws dig in the fingers and must go. I dont know what im going to replace it with, but i will find something i like better. For now i've removed the strap.
Over all i'm pleased with it.

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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg Shockwave
PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 7:58 pm 
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I have to ask, what can a Mossberg Shockwave (or for that matter, any other non-NFA "other") do that a properly functioning KSG cannot...about the only thing that comes readily to mind is that it can be carried loaded in a vehicle under my jurisdiction's License to Carry Firearms. That said, I give Mossberg credit for offering it, however for a number of reasons it would not be my first choice for HD. Even so, I still want one. Ported, with a tritium bead/front sight :wink:


1. It's just as compact, and LIGHTER. Sometimes this is important. Sometimes not. It will certainly make the recoil more pronounced.

2. "Properly functioning". There's your problem. If I could get my KSG to run as reliably as my 590a1, maybe the shockwave wouldn't be so appealing. Don't get me wrong, I'm not getting rid of my KSG, but as a mechanical engineer, I must profess that it has A LOT of intricate moving parts for a pump gun. And I've had more issues with it. This "shockwave" will be nothing if not reliable.

3. It's certainly better than a 18" barreled PGO gun. Less unwieldy, easier and faster to move. Of course if you wanted to stock it, now you can't, but if you LIKED your PGO, this is an improvement.

4. It's something different, it pisses the gun grabbers off, and it's a challenge to shoot. I like challenges.

Is it a very practical firearm? No (except as a universal door key, which is not really needed by most of us). But kudos to Mossberg for introducing a novelty to the market at a reasonable price ($400 vs the $800 I used to see scalpers selling them for) and clarifying a curious legal question. You'll notice Remington now has a version too.


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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg Shockwave
PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:28 pm 
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As most of you hunters, trap and skeet shooters know, proper shotgun fit is critical to good accuracy. This thing can't even be shouldered so your chances of actually hitting the target (the only thing that counts in the real world) are very poor just as FotoTomas discovered.

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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg Shockwave
PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:19 pm 
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Ezra Smack wrote:
As most of you hunters, trap and skeet shooters know, proper shotgun fit is critical to good accuracy. This thing can't even be shouldered so your chances of actually hitting the target (the only thing that counts in the real world) are very poor just as FotoTomas discovered.


This is true for hunters, shooting a deer at a hundred fifty yards with a high power rifle. This is true for a trap or skeet shooter, shooting small moving clay targets. This is not nearly so accurate a thought inside of seven yards. You still have to point/aim, but it's NOT that hard.

Your comparison is not really apples to apples. I won't argue that a PGO is any good for hunting or clay shooting; you're quite correct in that area.

Anyway you ought to be camping behind a choke point with this sort of weapon if self-defense is your goal. At which point I doubt if it matters much.


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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg Shockwave
PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:40 pm 
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While that is basically true Ezra, I used to shoot eliminations under the lights with a guy who could hip shoot 40%, and do it from the handicap line.

The key is practice Ezra, to know where your charge will go by where you are pointing it without shouldering it. Insanely few people are naturals at it, but it is a skill that can be learned, by some easier than by others.

2 decades ago I had to learn to hip-shoot a Minimi/M-249, while walking. Hitting human-sized silhouettes at 25 yards or so and closer. Harder than you would think, but by no means near-impossible (and yes, I am physically capable of shouldering that weapon, and it's bigger brother, and firing them that way).

I had to learn almost as long ago to point-shoot a handgun, again, from the low "retention" area (hip-shooting), 1-handed obviously, to hit human-size silhouettes out to around 20 feet, and preferably center-mass hit them. I would never win a bullseye match shooting that way (but Jelly Bryce did, and won many actual gunfights too, never fine-aiming) but I could make good, fast, multiple hits. Easier than I thought it would be.

The Shockwave is not in the slightest intended for shooting aerial targets moving 50mph out to 100+ feet away which is where fit matters so much.
It is a Housebroom, a very lethal, brute force sledgehammer for use against people attacking you at distances from typically 20 feet or less. People who are capable of moving at MAYBE 15mph (if they are track stars), most likely much less. I can do that reliably hip-shooting either of my Housebrooms, no shouldering required.

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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg Shockwave
PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:29 pm 
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^^^ I liked your post, sir.

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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg Shockwave
PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:14 am 
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I liked it too. My time with an 870, birds head grip, 18 inch barrel and extended 6 shot magazine was better. The gun did not bite my hand with a tang safety like the Mossberg did and the extra weight allowed me some success at hip shooting. It did take practice. At my age now I simply do not see the need in my home for pistol grip or birdshead grip shotguns.

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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg Shockwave
PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 11:51 am 
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Ive been away from shotguns for awhile and recently picked up a Mossberg Shockwave for a range toy on a whim as a BD present to myself.
Now that I've made some changes to it and have a couple of hundred rds under my belt, I can see it has a niche in my HD inventory.
Using aimed fire (not from the hip), it's fairly easy to get fast/multiple hits on smallish targets out to 20yds (farthest I've tested so far), technique is everything w/this firearm.
For those who argue for a handgun, all handguns are relatively poor 'stoppers' regardless of caliber or bullet used (and this includes PCC's), a good 12ga load has a much better chance of *not* requiring multiple hits to stop a determined and aggressive attacker (even a solid handgun hit to the heart can leave 10+ seconds worth of oxygen in the brain, plenty of time for the BG to inflict serious/lethal damage before he expires).
IMHO the Shockwave shines in close quarters where a longer firearm is less maneuverable yet is far more powerful than a handgun.
The Shockwave will never replace the 17+1 9mm in my nightstand, but rather has joined it to give me options should something go bump in the night.

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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg Shockwave
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:49 am 
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I picked up the Davidsons Exclusive Shockwave, with the marinecoat receiver. It is a fun range shotgun, and it gets plenty of attention. I relegate my 870 Police for home defense, though the Shockwave with Federal Personal Defense (bought a case 20 yrs ago) 12 ga , will do the job.


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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg Shockwave
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:54 pm 
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Ezra Smack wrote:
As most of you hunters, trap and skeet shooters know, proper shotgun fit is critical to good accuracy. This thing can't even be shouldered so your chances of actually hitting the target (the only thing that counts in the real world) are very poor just as FotoTomas discovered.


I'm all for owning and shooting ANYTHING that helps one defend themselves and their family.

And Inlike to be legal even if I have to buy a stamp; although one shouldn't have to.

That being said; there is a good reason most LEO's, military and even 3 gun shooters use shotguns with some kind of reasonable length butt stock on it. Better control and accuracy at all distances.


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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg Shockwave
PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:41 pm 
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UPDATE:

I revised this thread from long ago because I just bought one of these things (though mine is the Remington 870 version.) It is actually easier to use than I imagined. The reason is the Shockwave grip. Unlike the pistol grip which is terrible on the wrist and stings the web of the hand, the Shockwave keeps the wrist at a natural angle and is painless. Also, within the limits of one box of birdshot I pretty well hit everything that I shot at. There is a lot more to these than I thought and I will redact my prejudicial pronouncement of "gimmick" and substitute the term "plausible".

Certainly a full sized stocked shotgun is better under most circumstances but these definitely fill a niche. For example, you could easily carry one of these into a hotel room packed in a suitcase without alarming the staff or maneuver it from the right to the left window inside your vehicle in a riot. This would be impossible with a conventional length shotgun. It is not that these birds head grip "firearms" are better, it is just that they are a whole lot better than not having a shotgun at all. I am on the precipice of a major change of heart.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:23 pm 
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Driving through a riot huh?


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 Post subject: Re: Mossberg Shockwave
PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:32 pm 
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Use a large truck and keep driving, don't be stopping to shoot guns.



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